Pastor: Do Champions of Socialism Realize That Karl Marx Held a Deep Belief in God?
By Jan Jekielek and Melanie Sun
November 1, 2021 Updated: November 2, 2021
Karl Marx, the father of scientific socialism, once wrote that he knew he was born to God but was chosen for hell, author and radio host Dr. David Jeremiah said of many of the “aha! moments” he experienced in his year-long study of socialism, during which he read everything he could find on the ideology, including what motivated Marx in his ideological writings.
People don’t realize that Marx’s socialist theories are all based on a fundamental belief in the existence of God, but a hatred and opposition to everything God has taught, Dr. Jeremiah said. “You know, socialists don’t believe that there is no God—they’re not atheists,” he told EpochTV’s “American Thought Leaders.” “They’re anti-God.” (Full on-camera interview on EpochTV coming in a few days).
“In fact, Karl Marx … was a cheerleader for the devil,” he explained of his research, which he said has given him a new way of viewing trends in news and social policy that he believes can help Americans understand the social turmoil in the country right now.
Dr. Jeremiah, a pastor and founder of Turning Point Radio and Television Ministries, recently released a book to share his findings about the dangers of socialism titled “Where Do We Go From Here?” “Just about every chapter in this book, in some way or another, goes back to things that I learned about socialism,” he told host Jan Jekielek. “And now, what is so amazing to me is, because I’ve sensitized my mind and heart to all of this, every day on the news, I see vivid examples of what’s happening and how it’s affecting us as a nation.” The culture of canceling everything you don’t agree with has bred the roots of totalitarianism in American society, Dr. Jeremiah warned. He listed various negative trends, like parents being told that they shouldn’t have any say over the content taught in schools, Republicans and Democrats not being able to agree to disagree, and Christians being fired from their workplaces for sharing their faith, as examples of how Marx’s socialist ideas are eroding unity among people. Censorship of ideas is not what Dr. Jeremiah grew up with in America, but has become normal social behavior in 2021. “There’s nothing that is really true that should be afraid of challenge,” Dr. Jeremiah challenged. “If it’s true, it’s true. It shouldn’t be an issue for it to be challenged, because truth will win, no matter what the challenge is. But if it’s not true, then you can. So all the stuff that’s going on right now is interesting to me in light of that discussion, because … most of it is lies.”
In his book, Dr. Jeremiah describes socialism as “a deadly virus [that] is quietly spreading throughout our nation—far more lethal than COVID-19.” But he warned that “most Americans are totally unaware of the threat that it poses to our way of life.” “It’s like smoke coming under the door. You just see it a little bit, but it’s no big deal. [But] if we don’t become aware of it, it’ll be very destructive.
“That’s why I wrote the book,” he said. “I wanted to help people understand.”
He said that many readers have since told him, “You answered all the questions I didn’t know who to ask.”
“What I wanted to do is help them see the connectedness [sic] between so many of these things that are happening to us,” he said. “I wrote about the tearing down of monuments; it’s just not a bunch of rowdy kids out there trying to have fun knocking monuments down … Completely obliterate history so you can write a new one; that’s all part of how this whole thing works, that’s all a part of socialism.” “Get rid of the things people hold dear, destroy the things that are at the core of who they are as people—their family, their church, their marriage—and then come into that vacuum, and bring all of this rottenness called socialism. And if people understand that, it makes them aware,” he said. “We need to have an awareness of this because it’s deadly. It will destroy everything. “Venezuela is a perfect picture of where we’re headed if we don’t stop this. It’s amazing to realize, just in our lifetime not long ago, Venezuela was the richest country in that part of the world. People had the same standard of living that we do.”
Dr. Jeremiah said he hopes that talking more about the truth of socialism and its anti-God beliefs will help more people understand the problems of today. “One of his [Marx’s] key phrases was to wipe God out of heaven and capitalists off the earth. That was his two-fold program,” he said. “There’s a lot of university students who were captivated by this.” “It’s really scary to me … some of the statistics I cited in this book really bear that out, that young people between 18 and 25—I think 60-some percent of them—think socialism is cool, it’s OK; more than anything else because of all the free stuff they get promised in the process. “But when they understand the roots of socialism, it makes them stop and think,” he said. He said he has seen many young people wake up to the truth about socialism.
“It leaves them empty,” he said of what often happens when socialism takes hold of a person’s psyche. “It takes them to a place where they don’t want to go, and they don’t realize it on the journey. “[A]ll of a sudden, they wake up one day, and it doesn’t have anything to breathe into them, and they realize that. I see that a lot,” he said. Dr. Jeremiah also commented that the church isn’t free of socialism either, with some people claiming to be practicing Christian socialists. “Sometimes, they like to cite passages in the Bible, like in the book of Acts where they all held things together. But that wasn’t socialism; that was just a bunch of Christians sharing what they had during a tough time.
“There is no biblical basis whatsoever for socialism, either in the Old Testament or in the New Testament … because socialism is totally at the opposite end of the spectrum from what it means to be a God-fearing person,” he said. In his research, Dr. Jeremiah said he hasn’t found one good story about socialism. “All the reading I did and all the stuff I studied, everybody talks about it, I can’t find one good story that ends right because socialism is evil, and it takes people down, it doesn’t lift them up,” he said.
Wow. Thanks for this. Your discussion on the influence of socialism on young college aged kids reminds me of an aside mentioned by one of my gun instructors. He said "young cops are trained to be very paranoid. They are trained to see everyone as a threat. Then they spend the rest of their careers learning to be normal again."
I recommend reading a new and fantastic biography of Marx by Reuters reporter Mary Gabriel, "Love and Capital: Karl and Jenny Marx and the Birth of a Revolution" (2011). Unlike other biographers, Gabriel gained access to the Marx family's hundreds of letters to each other, stored in a vault in Moscow, if I remember correctly. Very different from anything else one is likely to find on Marx, Engels, the family, and the times .....
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Thanks for your comment, Michael. This is John Leake replying. I read a review of this book. While it sounds charming, I cannot escape my perception that poor Jenny von Westphalen developed the typical normalcy bias and trauma bond of a long mistreated women. Karl could occasionally be sweet and poetic, but this was but momentary relief from life with a terrible and selfish man. An undercover Prussian police officer who visited him in London wrote the following, which strikes me as funny and sad: "In his private life he is a highly disorderly, cynical human being and a bad manager. He lives the life of a gypsy, of an intellectual Bohemian; washing, combing and changing his linen are things he does rarely, he likes to get drunk. He is often idle for days on end, but when he has work to do, he will work day and night with tireless endurance.
For him there is no such thing as a fixed time for sleeping and waking. He will often stay up the whole night and then lie down on the sofa, fully dressed, around midday and sleep till evening, untroubled by the fact that the whole world comes and goes through his room.
Marx lives in one of the worst, and therefore one of the cheapest, quarters of London. He occupies two rooms. One of then looks out on the street—that is the salon. The bedroom is at the back. There is not one clean and solid piece of furniture to be found in the whole apartment: everything is broken, tattered and torn; there is a thick coat of dust everywhere; everywhere, too, the greatest disorder.
In the middle of the salon stands a large old-fashioned table covered with oil cloth. On it lie his manuscripts, books and newspapers, then the children’s toys, his wife’s mending and patching, together with several cups with chipped rims, dirty spoons, knives, forks, lamps, an ink-pot, glasses, dutch clay pipes, tobacco ash—in one word everything is topsy turvy, and all on the same table. A rag-and-bone man would step back ashamed from such a remarkable collection.
When you enter Marx’s room, smoke and tobacco fumes make your eyes water so badly, that you think for a moment that you are groping about in a cave. Gradually your eyes become accustomed to the fog and you can make out a few objects. Everything is dirty and covered with dust. It is positively dangerous to sit down. One chair has only three legs. On another chair, which happens to be whole, the children are playing at cooking. This one is offered to the visitor but the children’s cooking has not been wiped away: if you sit down you risk a pair of trousers. None of this embarrasses Marx or his wife.
So-called "bipolar disorder" is as "real" as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more real.... And "socialism" is just another "ISM"....it's all fakery....and brain-washing social control....
Because there is NO legitimate, medical, physical, chemical, etc., evidence, OR objective test for "it". So-called "bi-polar" was either invented, or created, - take your pick, - along with every other bogus & fraudulent "diagnosis" in the DSM-5..... It's as "real" as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more real.... Yes, real people have real problems, so why do we accept phony "diseases" designed to $ELL DRUG$?....
Because there is NO legitimate, medical, physical, chemical, etc., evidence, OR objective test for "it". So-called "bi-polar" was either invented, or created, - take your pick, - along with every other bogus & fraudulent "diagnosis" in the DSM-5..... It's as "real" as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more real.... Yes, real people have real problems, so why do we accept phony "diseases" designed to $ELL DRUG$?....
Yes, John ... get back to me here when you read the book, please.
But your reply brings up another question: What were the cops doing roaming through Marx's apartment?
Actually, it does sound a bit like my apartment for decades, witout the smoke and tobacco fumes.
And "the chair only has three legs" (gasp). A different Marx, Groucho, quick-wittedly replied to a cop who was trying to prove that there were 4 people, not one, living in the apartment. "You can't fool me, the table's set for four!," said the cop. Said Groucho, "What does that prove. My alarm clock's set for eight." Ta-dum!
" So I hated life, because what is done under the sun was grievous to me, for all is vanity and a striving after wind." Ecc. 2;17 "For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools" Romans1:21-22 "but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matt 6:20. So many seeking truths and a fullness of life that comes only from knowing God's will and having His Spirit. His Word IS a lamp unto our feet, a light unto our paths. Be.....in it.
Marx is still the idol of psychopaths and the resentful because, of course, he was a resentful psychopath himself. unable to think in terms of human soul, hence his "simplification", like any psychopath he was sure that the sole mover of "human proress" is craving for a stately mansion and a luxury car, unable to ger it that for a human the wealth as such is secondary to the urgings of the soul. THAT is his "simplification". Of course, he gave all the similar creatures of the world, a "scientific base" to justify mass murder and looting and satisfy those bodily cravings, thus reversing Chistianity. Needless to say, all the halfwits sart instantly feeling superior when are part of some "science", which we amply saw recently in the times of the mass atrocity known as "Covid".
Indoctrination starts at a very young age. If I were a parent of a child today, I would do home schooling, even if that meant that I would have to give up my career to do it. And, hopefully, I would have a supportive husband who would help make that possible.
You denigrate the Focal Points column with this ad hominem and cheap psychobabble. How the hell do you know what Marx carried in his heart? Look at his ideas and engage with them--something I've never seen you do, Leake. A more constructive response to Marx would inquire as to whether his theories are relevant to today's crisis. Can he help us understand how the globalists accumulated so much wealth and power that they are able to launch the Great Reset? Or why they would launch this fiendish project? Can it help us understand the means by which to defeat this project? The answer is yes, whatever Marx felt in his heart. That's irrelevant. You don't want to see this, because you are motivated by a pro-capitalist, petite bourgeois ideology. You'd rather put on a pedestal James Madison, an anti-democratic slaveowner, than Karl Marx. Don't put either of them on a pedestal. Soberly assess their ideas, and their relevance for today. Marx's ideas are far more relevant than Madison's. What you and other Marx-haters (who's the real "hater" here?!) don't want to admit is that to defeat the Great Reset, transhumanism, globalism, technocracy, we need to overthrow the capitalist system, and institute socialism. And the working class is the class that needs to do it--not the middle class. The middle class can only lead the working class--it can't change the world all by itself--and still hang on to its privileges under capitalism, via existing "republican" institutions.
Greetings Thomas, this is John Leake replying. Marx's most plausible critique was of the banking industry, but because his essay on this topic singled out Jewish bankers for special criticism, his adoring fans have been loathe to mention it. None of Marx's major theories about history or economy or labor were borne out by subsequent experience, and every regime that has tried to put his theories into practice has created a one-party state that imposed poverty and gulags on their peoples. Marx also knew that the British Parliament was, in his day, working in good faith to improve the conditions of the working poor and was in fact making progress. As for what was in Marx's heart, please note the poem by Edgar Bauer, who knew him personally and perceived him to be an aggressive, arrogant, and angry man who regarded most others with contempt. In the final analysis, I think that John Maynard Keynes summed it up well in a 1933 letter to George Bernard Shaw, who was, at the time, enamored with Marx and Stalin.
"As for my view of Marx, I said nothing in that article except to accuse you and Stalin of being still satisfied with his view of the capitalist world 'which had much verisimilitude in his day is unrecognisable three quarters of a century later'. Surely it is certain that the picture has changed out of recognition.
My feelings about Das Kapital are the same as my feelings about the Koran. I know that it is historically important and I know that many people, not all of whom are idiots, find it a sort of Rock of Ages and containing inspiration. Yet when I look into it, it is to me inexplicable that it can have this effect. Its dreary, out-of-date, academic controversialising seems so extraordinarily unsuitable as material for the purpose. But then, as I have said, I feel just the same about the Koran. How could either of these books carry fire and sword round half the world? It beats me."
I for one, am sick & tired of all the bogus "carrying fire & sword around the world".... From Day 1, ALL of Abrahamism has been infected with satanic pedophiles, and power-mad psychopaths & control freaks.... Male infant genital mutilation is just as archaic & abhorrent as female genital mutilation, BOTH Abrahamic practices.... That British Parliament had ONLY the veneer of civilization, and that of a dying empire & monarchy....
John, I don't care about your feelings about Marx, Das Kapital, or the Koran. Your feelings are so obviously skewed by your petite bourgeois ideology. Something that Rusere Shoniwa said recently about this ideology, and how it is sabotaging and distorting our movement. Your basic attitude is "Freedom for me--the middle class: but not for thee". Marx fought for freedom for the vast majority, and that's why you don't like his ideas. Because they point precisely to the necessity of freeing the vast majority, creating an egalitarian society. This also belies your view that he was a hater, in general. Yes he hated capitalism. And you think capitalism should be the mode of production we preserve--because you like it here. So Marx becomes a hater of SOCIETY. No, he just hates the system now in control of it
You're not responding to what I wrote here. Does or does not Marx's theories have something to offer us in the medical freedom movement?
For example--a very important example--Is Marx's theory of the tendency to centrallize capital in fewer and fewer hands, relevant to us? Does it explain the current, tiny numbers of the ruling class today, and their ability to conspire against humanity?
Here is a passage from a website by Dr. Lee Merritt, who is one of us, "The ETH Zurich study of 2011 found that 10 corporations essentially owned all the world’s corporations and that those 10 corporations boiled down to about 100 people, who control 70% of the world’s wealth." This for her explains how these globalists can keep their designs largely secret from the rest of the global population. https://forlifeonearth.weebly.com/dr-lee-merritt-the-end-game-of-the-vaccines-is-depopulation.html
NONE of his theories about history or economy have been borne out by subsequent experience? No. This one at least has been borne out. It was certainly not true in the nineteenth or even much of the twentieth century that 100 people controlled 70% of the world's wealth. Now it is. Marx predicted it, with his theory. You can come up with an alternate theory to explain this centralization of capital. I invite you to try. But your statement is just not true.
I am no longer going to get notifications from this thread. I believe I've asked a serious question, and all I've been getting is this kind of sophomoric, stupid remarks. John if you want to answer my question--without talking about the Koran--message me with it.
Interestimng you mention uneducated since most of the loud mouths come out of universities. I guess that tells us there is no educating going on in those institutions!
John Leake, Thank you for actually reading 'Das Kapital'. I was given 'The Communist Manifesto' at age 12 or so, about 1974, so started reading Marx & Engels including 'Das Kapital'. I've spent 61 of my 72 years of age focused on Turtle-Island (N. America) First Nations & all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') heritage of peace & prosperity.
RE: "Marx did make a serious effort to assess the reality of the world. We can fault him for his adolescent egotism that hindered him from recognizing that the world is too complex to be reduced to his neat formulae."
What you are missing is Marx & Engels extensive correspondence & influence by Lewis Henry Morgan in 'Ancient Society' based on Morgan's many decades living among & advocating for the 'Haudenosaunee' (Iroquois 'People-of-the-extended-rafters') in Northern Upstate New York. Morgan captures a good part of the 'Kaianere'kowa' (Irq. 'Great-good-way-of-kindness' aka 'Great-law-of-peace' aka 'Constitution'.
Much of Europe's political philosophers & revolutionaries, before during & after Marx's era were focused on indigenous origins. Petr Kropotkin in Mutual-Aid, A Factor of Evolution, base his thesis on many decades of studies & contacts with European & Siberian 1st Nations & indigenous peoples. Marx was considering human history from this indigenous perspective, which holds some formulated approaches to human governance. Much of Marx's later works were primarily focused on indigenous principles & practices.
The Kaianerekowa is reflected worldwide as provided in the worldwide indigenous Circle-of-Life charting & below in national & continental 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') cultural governance practices. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life focused on Three pillars of the Circle of Life are found worldwide among other aspects in various forms:
1) living in the intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale of the ~100 person Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village), 70% of people today live within Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (eg. Apartment, Townhouse & Village-clusters) averaging 32 dwelling-units = ~100 people. 20% of Multihome-dwellers are extended-families living intentionally in proximity for social & economic collaboration, contributing 2 trillion $/year of the most individually most individually appropriate goods, services, sharing & caring/year. All indigenous humanity kept intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale in the Multihome (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village). Multihomes should be the 1st Line of nutritional, preventative & restorative Medical intervention by specialists already amongst us treating people proactively & positively in harmony with nature. Here's an indigenous model of software to regenerate community care & health https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/1-extending-our-welcome-participatory-multihome-cohousing
2) Time-based equivalency accounting on the String-shell Value system (eg. Wampum on Turtle-Island / N. America, Quipu in S. America & Cowrie-shell throughout once indigenous Celtic-Slavic Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia & all islands). https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy The Great-good-way is based in individual & collective cultural peace. In Central America the Maya refer to Kindness as 'In Lakesh' (I am another you. You are another me.). In the Amazon, Aymara, Jamamadi, Apurina nations refer to Kindness as Maloka = 'Longhouse', Indigenous Celtic-Slavic Europe refer to the 'System of 100s' for their longhouse & other housing economies. In southern Africa, Nguni people refer to 'Ubuntu' meaning 'Human Kindness'. Eastern Europe Serbs & Croatians refer to 'Zadruga' meaning 'economy of friends', India as 'Swadeshi' (below), China's character for 'money' refers to the ancient indigenous 'Bei' or 'Cowrie Shell', Korea as 'Chaebol' & Japan as 'Keiretsu' referring to 'Family Economy'. All these indigenous practices carry the same 3 indigenous-Cultural-Economy practices as below. example: Peace is established culturally from the person, friends, family, extended-family, Multihome, village, city, region, nation with ~110 nations across Turtle-Island (N. America) organized into ~23 Confederacies, into Continental & Hemispheric Councils. One introduction to all our ancient ways is called the Indigenous Circle-of-Life, somewhat related to the Medicine-Wheel in simplifying an inter-disciplinary set of Indigenous factors needed for all of us to become whole again. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life
3) COUNCIL PROCESS is a process of individuals committed to Both-sided, Equal-time, Recorded & Published Dialogues for creating Constructive Agreements, Contract delineation & for Conflict Resolution. Council is both a right & obligation in all humanity's worldwide indigenous heritage, with the right to call for dialogue & obligation to respond to such calls. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
Karl Marx “hated” capitalism yet he was a lazy bum who sponged off everyone who had money. I believe what was in Marx’s heart was envy of those with money. Envy (one of the seven deadly sins), different than jealousy, works to prevent you from having that which I am jealous of.
Marx was a bum and notorious abuser of females and an innervate liar. His book was just gobbledygook, with important events avoided or glossed over and tiny, meaningless episodes expanded to world-changing ones. So, I was never enthralled with communism. I thought it was just a convenient tool for the losers in the world to justify their thefts, murders, and crimes against humanity, and most importantly, steal the wealth and property of others. This why all communist movements are propelled by criminals, by and large, or those who would like to be and are just looking for an excuse. Which is much like our judiciary, at all levels here and all over Western countries.
My guess is he'd fit right in and be in Antifa if he were alive today.
Marx, whether you like him or not, was a highly intelligent man. Unfortunately I believe his intelligence bordered on insanity. Marxism, when practiced, destroys individuality. Individuality is what makes us human. All of human progress has been a result of this individuality. The Leftist agendas that are dominating Western culture and government are Marxist ideas. Now this truly is a frightening thought.
Wow, btw the ‘maybe we are the bad guys’ post & this you seem to be getting to the heart of the matter— God, not who is God, but what is God; what is the core creative element. Something doesn’t come out of nothing. Strip away all the bs & there is no clearer statement than that of Moses, “I am that I am” & where does that “I AM” exist?
Pastor: Do Champions of Socialism Realize That Karl Marx Held a Deep Belief in God?
By Jan Jekielek and Melanie Sun
November 1, 2021 Updated: November 2, 2021
Karl Marx, the father of scientific socialism, once wrote that he knew he was born to God but was chosen for hell, author and radio host Dr. David Jeremiah said of many of the “aha! moments” he experienced in his year-long study of socialism, during which he read everything he could find on the ideology, including what motivated Marx in his ideological writings.
People don’t realize that Marx’s socialist theories are all based on a fundamental belief in the existence of God, but a hatred and opposition to everything God has taught, Dr. Jeremiah said. “You know, socialists don’t believe that there is no God—they’re not atheists,” he told EpochTV’s “American Thought Leaders.” “They’re anti-God.” (Full on-camera interview on EpochTV coming in a few days).
“In fact, Karl Marx … was a cheerleader for the devil,” he explained of his research, which he said has given him a new way of viewing trends in news and social policy that he believes can help Americans understand the social turmoil in the country right now.
Dr. Jeremiah, a pastor and founder of Turning Point Radio and Television Ministries, recently released a book to share his findings about the dangers of socialism titled “Where Do We Go From Here?” “Just about every chapter in this book, in some way or another, goes back to things that I learned about socialism,” he told host Jan Jekielek. “And now, what is so amazing to me is, because I’ve sensitized my mind and heart to all of this, every day on the news, I see vivid examples of what’s happening and how it’s affecting us as a nation.” The culture of canceling everything you don’t agree with has bred the roots of totalitarianism in American society, Dr. Jeremiah warned. He listed various negative trends, like parents being told that they shouldn’t have any say over the content taught in schools, Republicans and Democrats not being able to agree to disagree, and Christians being fired from their workplaces for sharing their faith, as examples of how Marx’s socialist ideas are eroding unity among people. Censorship of ideas is not what Dr. Jeremiah grew up with in America, but has become normal social behavior in 2021. “There’s nothing that is really true that should be afraid of challenge,” Dr. Jeremiah challenged. “If it’s true, it’s true. It shouldn’t be an issue for it to be challenged, because truth will win, no matter what the challenge is. But if it’s not true, then you can. So all the stuff that’s going on right now is interesting to me in light of that discussion, because … most of it is lies.”
In his book, Dr. Jeremiah describes socialism as “a deadly virus [that] is quietly spreading throughout our nation—far more lethal than COVID-19.” But he warned that “most Americans are totally unaware of the threat that it poses to our way of life.” “It’s like smoke coming under the door. You just see it a little bit, but it’s no big deal. [But] if we don’t become aware of it, it’ll be very destructive.
“That’s why I wrote the book,” he said. “I wanted to help people understand.”
He said that many readers have since told him, “You answered all the questions I didn’t know who to ask.”
“What I wanted to do is help them see the connectedness [sic] between so many of these things that are happening to us,” he said. “I wrote about the tearing down of monuments; it’s just not a bunch of rowdy kids out there trying to have fun knocking monuments down … Completely obliterate history so you can write a new one; that’s all part of how this whole thing works, that’s all a part of socialism.” “Get rid of the things people hold dear, destroy the things that are at the core of who they are as people—their family, their church, their marriage—and then come into that vacuum, and bring all of this rottenness called socialism. And if people understand that, it makes them aware,” he said. “We need to have an awareness of this because it’s deadly. It will destroy everything. “Venezuela is a perfect picture of where we’re headed if we don’t stop this. It’s amazing to realize, just in our lifetime not long ago, Venezuela was the richest country in that part of the world. People had the same standard of living that we do.”
Dr. Jeremiah said he hopes that talking more about the truth of socialism and its anti-God beliefs will help more people understand the problems of today. “One of his [Marx’s] key phrases was to wipe God out of heaven and capitalists off the earth. That was his two-fold program,” he said. “There’s a lot of university students who were captivated by this.” “It’s really scary to me … some of the statistics I cited in this book really bear that out, that young people between 18 and 25—I think 60-some percent of them—think socialism is cool, it’s OK; more than anything else because of all the free stuff they get promised in the process. “But when they understand the roots of socialism, it makes them stop and think,” he said. He said he has seen many young people wake up to the truth about socialism.
“It leaves them empty,” he said of what often happens when socialism takes hold of a person’s psyche. “It takes them to a place where they don’t want to go, and they don’t realize it on the journey. “[A]ll of a sudden, they wake up one day, and it doesn’t have anything to breathe into them, and they realize that. I see that a lot,” he said. Dr. Jeremiah also commented that the church isn’t free of socialism either, with some people claiming to be practicing Christian socialists. “Sometimes, they like to cite passages in the Bible, like in the book of Acts where they all held things together. But that wasn’t socialism; that was just a bunch of Christians sharing what they had during a tough time.
“There is no biblical basis whatsoever for socialism, either in the Old Testament or in the New Testament … because socialism is totally at the opposite end of the spectrum from what it means to be a God-fearing person,” he said. In his research, Dr. Jeremiah said he hasn’t found one good story about socialism. “All the reading I did and all the stuff I studied, everybody talks about it, I can’t find one good story that ends right because socialism is evil, and it takes people down, it doesn’t lift them up,” he said.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/pastor-do-champions-of-socialism-realize-that-karl-marx-held-a-deep-belief-in-god_4079262.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-11-02&mktids=09654a6be10b3595896459feba667b60&est=HMRzQpUDkCajH4SL4enyPpkGgj8V2vYjqCOSL%2Fdg0Ng9L%2BEUM8%2FrHh%2Bu6VA%3D
Wow. Thanks for this. Your discussion on the influence of socialism on young college aged kids reminds me of an aside mentioned by one of my gun instructors. He said "young cops are trained to be very paranoid. They are trained to see everyone as a threat. Then they spend the rest of their careers learning to be normal again."
I recommend reading a new and fantastic biography of Marx by Reuters reporter Mary Gabriel, "Love and Capital: Karl and Jenny Marx and the Birth of a Revolution" (2011). Unlike other biographers, Gabriel gained access to the Marx family's hundreds of letters to each other, stored in a vault in Moscow, if I remember correctly. Very different from anything else one is likely to find on Marx, Engels, the family, and the times .....
Mitchel Cohen
Brooklyn Greens, and author of
"The Fight Against Monsanto's Roundup: The Politics of Pesticides" (2022)
Thanks for your comment, Michael. This is John Leake replying. I read a review of this book. While it sounds charming, I cannot escape my perception that poor Jenny von Westphalen developed the typical normalcy bias and trauma bond of a long mistreated women. Karl could occasionally be sweet and poetic, but this was but momentary relief from life with a terrible and selfish man. An undercover Prussian police officer who visited him in London wrote the following, which strikes me as funny and sad: "In his private life he is a highly disorderly, cynical human being and a bad manager. He lives the life of a gypsy, of an intellectual Bohemian; washing, combing and changing his linen are things he does rarely, he likes to get drunk. He is often idle for days on end, but when he has work to do, he will work day and night with tireless endurance.
For him there is no such thing as a fixed time for sleeping and waking. He will often stay up the whole night and then lie down on the sofa, fully dressed, around midday and sleep till evening, untroubled by the fact that the whole world comes and goes through his room.
Marx lives in one of the worst, and therefore one of the cheapest, quarters of London. He occupies two rooms. One of then looks out on the street—that is the salon. The bedroom is at the back. There is not one clean and solid piece of furniture to be found in the whole apartment: everything is broken, tattered and torn; there is a thick coat of dust everywhere; everywhere, too, the greatest disorder.
In the middle of the salon stands a large old-fashioned table covered with oil cloth. On it lie his manuscripts, books and newspapers, then the children’s toys, his wife’s mending and patching, together with several cups with chipped rims, dirty spoons, knives, forks, lamps, an ink-pot, glasses, dutch clay pipes, tobacco ash—in one word everything is topsy turvy, and all on the same table. A rag-and-bone man would step back ashamed from such a remarkable collection.
When you enter Marx’s room, smoke and tobacco fumes make your eyes water so badly, that you think for a moment that you are groping about in a cave. Gradually your eyes become accustomed to the fog and you can make out a few objects. Everything is dirty and covered with dust. It is positively dangerous to sit down. One chair has only three legs. On another chair, which happens to be whole, the children are playing at cooking. This one is offered to the visitor but the children’s cooking has not been wiped away: if you sit down you risk a pair of trousers. None of this embarrasses Marx or his wife.
Marx sounds like a selfish, self-absorbed, artist with bipolar disorder.
So-called "bipolar disorder" is as "real" as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more real.... And "socialism" is just another "ISM"....it's all fakery....and brain-washing social control....
While I don't dismiss socialism as just another ism, I like Phil Ochs' statement that "we have to make every "ism" a "wasm.""
Bill
How do you know that Bipolar disorder isn't real?
Because there is NO legitimate, medical, physical, chemical, etc., evidence, OR objective test for "it". So-called "bi-polar" was either invented, or created, - take your pick, - along with every other bogus & fraudulent "diagnosis" in the DSM-5..... It's as "real" as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more real.... Yes, real people have real problems, so why do we accept phony "diseases" designed to $ELL DRUG$?....
Bill, how do you know this? Do you have a medical, pharmaceutical, or scientist research background?
Because there is NO legitimate, medical, physical, chemical, etc., evidence, OR objective test for "it". So-called "bi-polar" was either invented, or created, - take your pick, - along with every other bogus & fraudulent "diagnosis" in the DSM-5..... It's as "real" as presents from Santa Claus, but NOT more real.... Yes, real people have real problems, so why do we accept phony "diseases" designed to $ELL DRUG$?....
Yes, John ... get back to me here when you read the book, please.
But your reply brings up another question: What were the cops doing roaming through Marx's apartment?
Actually, it does sound a bit like my apartment for decades, witout the smoke and tobacco fumes.
And "the chair only has three legs" (gasp). A different Marx, Groucho, quick-wittedly replied to a cop who was trying to prove that there were 4 people, not one, living in the apartment. "You can't fool me, the table's set for four!," said the cop. Said Groucho, "What does that prove. My alarm clock's set for eight." Ta-dum!
Please read the book.
" So I hated life, because what is done under the sun was grievous to me, for all is vanity and a striving after wind." Ecc. 2;17 "For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools" Romans1:21-22 "but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matt 6:20. So many seeking truths and a fullness of life that comes only from knowing God's will and having His Spirit. His Word IS a lamp unto our feet, a light unto our paths. Be.....in it.
Marx is still the idol of psychopaths and the resentful because, of course, he was a resentful psychopath himself. unable to think in terms of human soul, hence his "simplification", like any psychopath he was sure that the sole mover of "human proress" is craving for a stately mansion and a luxury car, unable to ger it that for a human the wealth as such is secondary to the urgings of the soul. THAT is his "simplification". Of course, he gave all the similar creatures of the world, a "scientific base" to justify mass murder and looting and satisfy those bodily cravings, thus reversing Chistianity. Needless to say, all the halfwits sart instantly feeling superior when are part of some "science", which we amply saw recently in the times of the mass atrocity known as "Covid".
Indoctrination starts at a very young age. If I were a parent of a child today, I would do home schooling, even if that meant that I would have to give up my career to do it. And, hopefully, I would have a supportive husband who would help make that possible.
.....I can help with the "supportive husband" part....jk- LOL!, ok, I had to....
But yeah, the public schools suck here, too!
You denigrate the Focal Points column with this ad hominem and cheap psychobabble. How the hell do you know what Marx carried in his heart? Look at his ideas and engage with them--something I've never seen you do, Leake. A more constructive response to Marx would inquire as to whether his theories are relevant to today's crisis. Can he help us understand how the globalists accumulated so much wealth and power that they are able to launch the Great Reset? Or why they would launch this fiendish project? Can it help us understand the means by which to defeat this project? The answer is yes, whatever Marx felt in his heart. That's irrelevant. You don't want to see this, because you are motivated by a pro-capitalist, petite bourgeois ideology. You'd rather put on a pedestal James Madison, an anti-democratic slaveowner, than Karl Marx. Don't put either of them on a pedestal. Soberly assess their ideas, and their relevance for today. Marx's ideas are far more relevant than Madison's. What you and other Marx-haters (who's the real "hater" here?!) don't want to admit is that to defeat the Great Reset, transhumanism, globalism, technocracy, we need to overthrow the capitalist system, and institute socialism. And the working class is the class that needs to do it--not the middle class. The middle class can only lead the working class--it can't change the world all by itself--and still hang on to its privileges under capitalism, via existing "republican" institutions.
Greetings Thomas, this is John Leake replying. Marx's most plausible critique was of the banking industry, but because his essay on this topic singled out Jewish bankers for special criticism, his adoring fans have been loathe to mention it. None of Marx's major theories about history or economy or labor were borne out by subsequent experience, and every regime that has tried to put his theories into practice has created a one-party state that imposed poverty and gulags on their peoples. Marx also knew that the British Parliament was, in his day, working in good faith to improve the conditions of the working poor and was in fact making progress. As for what was in Marx's heart, please note the poem by Edgar Bauer, who knew him personally and perceived him to be an aggressive, arrogant, and angry man who regarded most others with contempt. In the final analysis, I think that John Maynard Keynes summed it up well in a 1933 letter to George Bernard Shaw, who was, at the time, enamored with Marx and Stalin.
"As for my view of Marx, I said nothing in that article except to accuse you and Stalin of being still satisfied with his view of the capitalist world 'which had much verisimilitude in his day is unrecognisable three quarters of a century later'. Surely it is certain that the picture has changed out of recognition.
My feelings about Das Kapital are the same as my feelings about the Koran. I know that it is historically important and I know that many people, not all of whom are idiots, find it a sort of Rock of Ages and containing inspiration. Yet when I look into it, it is to me inexplicable that it can have this effect. Its dreary, out-of-date, academic controversialising seems so extraordinarily unsuitable as material for the purpose. But then, as I have said, I feel just the same about the Koran. How could either of these books carry fire and sword round half the world? It beats me."
I for one, am sick & tired of all the bogus "carrying fire & sword around the world".... From Day 1, ALL of Abrahamism has been infected with satanic pedophiles, and power-mad psychopaths & control freaks.... Male infant genital mutilation is just as archaic & abhorrent as female genital mutilation, BOTH Abrahamic practices.... That British Parliament had ONLY the veneer of civilization, and that of a dying empire & monarchy....
John, I don't care about your feelings about Marx, Das Kapital, or the Koran. Your feelings are so obviously skewed by your petite bourgeois ideology. Something that Rusere Shoniwa said recently about this ideology, and how it is sabotaging and distorting our movement. Your basic attitude is "Freedom for me--the middle class: but not for thee". Marx fought for freedom for the vast majority, and that's why you don't like his ideas. Because they point precisely to the necessity of freeing the vast majority, creating an egalitarian society. This also belies your view that he was a hater, in general. Yes he hated capitalism. And you think capitalism should be the mode of production we preserve--because you like it here. So Marx becomes a hater of SOCIETY. No, he just hates the system now in control of it
You're not responding to what I wrote here. Does or does not Marx's theories have something to offer us in the medical freedom movement?
For example--a very important example--Is Marx's theory of the tendency to centrallize capital in fewer and fewer hands, relevant to us? Does it explain the current, tiny numbers of the ruling class today, and their ability to conspire against humanity?
Here is a passage from a website by Dr. Lee Merritt, who is one of us, "The ETH Zurich study of 2011 found that 10 corporations essentially owned all the world’s corporations and that those 10 corporations boiled down to about 100 people, who control 70% of the world’s wealth." This for her explains how these globalists can keep their designs largely secret from the rest of the global population. https://forlifeonearth.weebly.com/dr-lee-merritt-the-end-game-of-the-vaccines-is-depopulation.html
Marx belongs on the scrap heap of history. Important for a FULL education, but NOT as any kind of guide, or way forward. Marx WAS a hater....
"Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah." Gee wiz. How can anyone possibly argue with that?!
Grow up, Bill.
NONE of his theories about history or economy have been borne out by subsequent experience? No. This one at least has been borne out. It was certainly not true in the nineteenth or even much of the twentieth century that 100 people controlled 70% of the world's wealth. Now it is. Marx predicted it, with his theory. You can come up with an alternate theory to explain this centralization of capital. I invite you to try. But your statement is just not true.
And as for your blaming Marx and Engels' for SOME of their disciples creation of one party states, read the following article of mine: https://bmccproftomsmith7.substack.com/p/was-the-bolshevik-regime-and-its
Uh, no.
Brilliant!
I am no longer going to get notifications from this thread. I believe I've asked a serious question, and all I've been getting is this kind of sophomoric, stupid remarks. John if you want to answer my question--without talking about the Koran--message me with it.
When you get to 70 it's clear politics is a corrupt game, played by self interested imbeciles. Guy Fawkes had the right idea
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Interestimng you mention uneducated since most of the loud mouths come out of universities. I guess that tells us there is no educating going on in those institutions!
It's not fully collapsed yet John.....
But they do seem to be unaware of the sign of a "Road of no return"!
God bless this futile endeavor. We won't miss such a mess they made at all!
Yes I believe you’re correct John.
“The wise man calculates, while an ignorant man reacts.”
AJR
John Leake, Thank you for actually reading 'Das Kapital'. I was given 'The Communist Manifesto' at age 12 or so, about 1974, so started reading Marx & Engels including 'Das Kapital'. I've spent 61 of my 72 years of age focused on Turtle-Island (N. America) First Nations & all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') heritage of peace & prosperity.
RE: "Marx did make a serious effort to assess the reality of the world. We can fault him for his adolescent egotism that hindered him from recognizing that the world is too complex to be reduced to his neat formulae."
What you are missing is Marx & Engels extensive correspondence & influence by Lewis Henry Morgan in 'Ancient Society' based on Morgan's many decades living among & advocating for the 'Haudenosaunee' (Iroquois 'People-of-the-extended-rafters') in Northern Upstate New York. Morgan captures a good part of the 'Kaianere'kowa' (Irq. 'Great-good-way-of-kindness' aka 'Great-law-of-peace' aka 'Constitution'.
Much of Europe's political philosophers & revolutionaries, before during & after Marx's era were focused on indigenous origins. Petr Kropotkin in Mutual-Aid, A Factor of Evolution, base his thesis on many decades of studies & contacts with European & Siberian 1st Nations & indigenous peoples. Marx was considering human history from this indigenous perspective, which holds some formulated approaches to human governance. Much of Marx's later works were primarily focused on indigenous principles & practices.
The Kaianerekowa is reflected worldwide as provided in the worldwide indigenous Circle-of-Life charting & below in national & continental 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') cultural governance practices. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life focused on Three pillars of the Circle of Life are found worldwide among other aspects in various forms:
1) living in the intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale of the ~100 person Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village), 70% of people today live within Multihome-Dwelling-Complexes (eg. Apartment, Townhouse & Village-clusters) averaging 32 dwelling-units = ~100 people. 20% of Multihome-dwellers are extended-families living intentionally in proximity for social & economic collaboration, contributing 2 trillion $/year of the most individually most individually appropriate goods, services, sharing & caring/year. All indigenous humanity kept intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale in the Multihome (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village). Multihomes should be the 1st Line of nutritional, preventative & restorative Medical intervention by specialists already amongst us treating people proactively & positively in harmony with nature. Here's an indigenous model of software to regenerate community care & health https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/1-extending-our-welcome-participatory-multihome-cohousing
2) Time-based equivalency accounting on the String-shell Value system (eg. Wampum on Turtle-Island / N. America, Quipu in S. America & Cowrie-shell throughout once indigenous Celtic-Slavic Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia & all islands). https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy The Great-good-way is based in individual & collective cultural peace. In Central America the Maya refer to Kindness as 'In Lakesh' (I am another you. You are another me.). In the Amazon, Aymara, Jamamadi, Apurina nations refer to Kindness as Maloka = 'Longhouse', Indigenous Celtic-Slavic Europe refer to the 'System of 100s' for their longhouse & other housing economies. In southern Africa, Nguni people refer to 'Ubuntu' meaning 'Human Kindness'. Eastern Europe Serbs & Croatians refer to 'Zadruga' meaning 'economy of friends', India as 'Swadeshi' (below), China's character for 'money' refers to the ancient indigenous 'Bei' or 'Cowrie Shell', Korea as 'Chaebol' & Japan as 'Keiretsu' referring to 'Family Economy'. All these indigenous practices carry the same 3 indigenous-Cultural-Economy practices as below. example: Peace is established culturally from the person, friends, family, extended-family, Multihome, village, city, region, nation with ~110 nations across Turtle-Island (N. America) organized into ~23 Confederacies, into Continental & Hemispheric Councils. One introduction to all our ancient ways is called the Indigenous Circle-of-Life, somewhat related to the Medicine-Wheel in simplifying an inter-disciplinary set of Indigenous factors needed for all of us to become whole again. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life
3) COUNCIL PROCESS is a process of individuals committed to Both-sided, Equal-time, Recorded & Published Dialogues for creating Constructive Agreements, Contract delineation & for Conflict Resolution. Council is both a right & obligation in all humanity's worldwide indigenous heritage, with the right to call for dialogue & obligation to respond to such calls. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues
Karl Marx “hated” capitalism yet he was a lazy bum who sponged off everyone who had money. I believe what was in Marx’s heart was envy of those with money. Envy (one of the seven deadly sins), different than jealousy, works to prevent you from having that which I am jealous of.
Marx was a bum and notorious abuser of females and an innervate liar. His book was just gobbledygook, with important events avoided or glossed over and tiny, meaningless episodes expanded to world-changing ones. So, I was never enthralled with communism. I thought it was just a convenient tool for the losers in the world to justify their thefts, murders, and crimes against humanity, and most importantly, steal the wealth and property of others. This why all communist movements are propelled by criminals, by and large, or those who would like to be and are just looking for an excuse. Which is much like our judiciary, at all levels here and all over Western countries.
My guess is he'd fit right in and be in Antifa if he were alive today.
Danny Huckabee
Marx, whether you like him or not, was a highly intelligent man. Unfortunately I believe his intelligence bordered on insanity. Marxism, when practiced, destroys individuality. Individuality is what makes us human. All of human progress has been a result of this individuality. The Leftist agendas that are dominating Western culture and government are Marxist ideas. Now this truly is a frightening thought.
Wow, btw the ‘maybe we are the bad guys’ post & this you seem to be getting to the heart of the matter— God, not who is God, but what is God; what is the core creative element. Something doesn’t come out of nothing. Strip away all the bs & there is no clearer statement than that of Moses, “I am that I am” & where does that “I AM” exist?