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We need to stop mistaking corruption for incompetence. The problem isn't the naivety of the Deep State, but the fact that they're evil and want perpetual war.

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SteelJ's avatar

I agree. I'm surprised Leake would attribute good motives (getting rid of bad guys, spreading democracy) to the neocons. Those are just the excuses they use to justify their wars. I've never been religious, but "by their fruits, so shall you know them" is dead on. Their motivations are more likely feeding the MIC or just getting off on causing massive destruction and misery, probably both.

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nonwo's avatar

I think you should reread again.

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SteelJ's avatar
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I did go back and reread in case I missed something. I didn't. Leake wrote:

"The primary intellectual deficiency of the Neocon clique is that all of their mental energy is directed at getting rid of bad guys, with apparently zero thought given to who will replace them"

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"Neocon policy wonks are—like millions of Americans—given to the comic book concept that humanity can be neatly divided into good guys and bad guys, and that improving humanity is always just a matter of getting rid of the bad guys"

He's saying the Neocons think they can improve humanity by getting rid of the bad guys. IOW, they're trying to improve humanity, but just going about it all wrong. My point is Leake is naive to think the Neocons want to improve humanity.

Maybe he's following Hanlon's Razor. I hope not, it's the dumbest rule I ever saw, surely crafted by psychopaths. The correct rule is "never attribute to ignorance that which can be adequately explained by malice".

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Mediocrates's avatar

"..they're trying to improve humanity, but just going about it all wrong..."

Any group or individual who thinks that they can, or have the right to improve humanity is unable to grasp the stupidity of their own mentality.

What is needed most of all is a statement of honest realisation from Trump that USA has for too long been the focus of geopolitical corruption to the detriment of so many other nations. Americans must look inwards to begin solving the problems that are dividing their own nation.

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nonwo's avatar

I guess it’s time to look deeper into Leake🤔

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SteelJ's avatar

I like Leake, he's smart and writes great stuff. I have a few pet peeves, one of which is thinking you know motivations, when you can't. Especially when it's attributing good intentions to "people" like Neocons. I feel compelled to call that out for some reason. That said, i agree, trust no one you don't have a lot of personal history with. Always a good idea to keep an open mind.

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Ed's avatar

"thinking you know motivations, when you can't... attributing good intentions to "people" like Neocons. "

I agree. Further, addressing motivations and/or intentions has no place at all in addressing the crimes of a criminal cabal such as the neocons. Intentions are irrelevant when a group of people are obviously advocating for such crimes against humanity as have been committed using the US military against civilian populations of whole countries.

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nonwo's avatar

🎯

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Timothy Burchett's avatar

No, the American peoples waterloo regardless of Trump is the self replicating mRna....Iran would be a mere distraction...

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nonwo's avatar

Possibly, but Iran has always been the prize

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Blair's avatar

The prize seems to be anything the neocons have their eye on at the time. Infinite war cannot fill the dark void within. They will never be satisfied.

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nonwo's avatar

🎯

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albert venezio's avatar

That is a Huge Problem!

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Miguel Stroe MD's avatar

The scenario is not a land invasion. It’s a total destruction of their nuke capabilities and hopefully leading to a regime change. The bloody mullahs are a threat to their own people and the world!

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Kaz's avatar

…and the keyword here is “hopefully”. The recent Neocons adventures into Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afganistan still are not enough to tell you that you’re 💯 wrong. What else needs to happen to get you to admit it. Doing it and „hopefully” expecting different results is a definition of insanity. Please STOP advising President Trump. Are you Netanyahu?

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nonwo's avatar

You mean the bloody mullahs the CIA puts in? The U.S. put in Komeini you should know that.

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

No, I don't think so. I lived through that era. Khomeini hated the U.S., so he was not a CIA plant. Where did you ever hear such a strange idea?

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nonwo's avatar

I am a political scientist international relations. It was all over the place! Yes Komaini hated the U.S. but the U.S. didn’t care. I’m sure Komaini knew but used it for his perceived benefit. This was at the end of Carter with general westmoreland,

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nonwo's avatar

I also lived during that era

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

Refreshing. Lots of 30-somethings think they know history. We watched it as Walter Cronkite narrated.

That whole show was so manipulated. The embassy personnel were released 1 week after Reagan won the election. It was all a contrivance.

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nonwo's avatar

Yes absolutely. I am 70 though.

The election for Reagan was rigged. Carter actually won as he was beloved but they switched the vote and arranged the hostage situation to say that’s why Carter lost.

The goal was to get Reagan in, a staunch anticommunist with a touch of dementia. He was chosen in advance as are all “politicians”

The agenda under Reagan was to replace all of the civilian members of the DOD with neocons. I’m sure you know the names of those neocons. They created defense policy ( I believe they made up “The Defense Policy Board” ) a controversial pro war anti American group. From this position they planned future strategy and wars for our nation.

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nonwo's avatar

Ain’t gonna happen. No one can get close enough. They have one of the best defense systems in the world. There is a much crazier nation we should deal with whom we know actually owns plenty of nukes.

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nonwo's avatar
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Iran is now a superpower when it comes to weapons. 40,000 Hypersonic missles (the best and most accurate on the planet)cities under granite lined mountains that open up and launch missles, every general has said privately we would lose the war. Iran vs Israel? Iran would win. If we had the capability to win, we would have attacked already.

When Israel tried to attack them, Iran scared them away.

This is why Israel is pushing Trump to attack them, Trump said no we want to negotiate.

We would not win a war with Iran, period.

While the U.S. was busy making clunky expensive weapons that miss their mark and were built for profit, Iran’s geniuses were at work.

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Ben Jordan's avatar

I think you are totally incorrect in your assessment of Iran and US generals. No one fears Iran, they fear their allies, especially the Russians and perhaps the PRC. Both of which have the capacity to destroy the US! Nevertheless , IMHO, Iran cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. The regime is led by Islamist lunatics who's eschatology advocates chaos! This chaos will somehow enable the arrival of Islam's Mahdi or Islamic Messiah who is supposed to conquer the world for Islam. Point is when they get the bomb, they'll use it...on us!

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albert venezio's avatar

But Israel illegally having Nuclear Weapons is ok?

If the US is dumb enough to fight Iran for Netanyahu's Insane Racist Psychopathic reasons we will be fighting Iran, China, Russia etc.

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nonwo's avatar

Netanyahu needs an extended war to keep him, his wife and son out of jail. Who knows what illegalities they have really done but they were bad!! That combined with sheer lunacy he would definitely be the one to launch the first strike, not Iran.

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albert venezio's avatar

Yes and very likely.

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Israel had nuclear weapons before there was a non proliferation treaty that incidently they never signed...like the PRC.

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albert venezio's avatar

Yes, but that's fine of course. Sick world. The one who illegally has had nuclear weapons for 60 years wants to attack a country which has not had them. Iran is right in promoting a nuclear free middle east!

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Iranian people are wonderful people who were deceived by Islamist lunatics. Those lunatics who run the regime are responsible for virtually all terrorism in the world and not just the Middle East. That regime should have been destroyed long ago after they killed 241 Marines in Beirut. But all Reagan did was have the US Navy obliterate their Navy. Now they are seeking nuclear breakout and I hope and pray they're fraudulent and utterly evil regime is destroyed. The one hope I really have is the Iranian people have the fastest growing Chriatian Church despite persecution from Islamist evil doers!

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nonwo's avatar

Israel’s got a bug up their ass over Iran. Is it because Iran bitch slapped them?

Did you see Netanyahu running waddling his fat ass to the bunker?? What a coward! And what a sight to behold!!

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nonwo's avatar

🎯

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nonwo's avatar

Israel is shaking in its boots over Iran. IDF is one of the most cowardly military on earth. They are weekend partners and mommas boys.

I’d like to know the real casualty rate of the IDF, Israel will never tell. In contrast to Irans military- disciplined and they truly love and will die for their country.

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nonwo's avatar

Weekend partyers

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Time will tell..

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nonwo's avatar
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Face it, if they could have they would have already. Thats all they do is run their mouths, do false flags and pick on those weaker than them.

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Utter BS!

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nonwo's avatar

Your opinion only.

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Time will tell..

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nonwo's avatar

If one nation has the nukes, every nation should have nukes, especially because Israel has nukes. Every country in the world needs to defend themselves against Israel, the only country the world fears would actually use them. I guess I should include the U.S. with Israel because the U.S. is the only country that used them- twice

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SaHiB's avatar

Isn'treal did use nuclear bombs on us; the WTC!

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Lunatic

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Lunatic making up lies!

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nonwo's avatar

Hi Hasbara! You know how I know you are Hasbara? You get angry easily and throw childish insults at the commenter.

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Lunatic.

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nonwo's avatar

lol!! See?

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SaHiB's avatar

Sorry, you're not in the Devil's class. Bzzt!

The devil will tell you nine truths, so you'll believe one lie. - Shannon Mayer

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Ben Jordan's avatar

Foolishness..

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Thank you for signing the comment you didn't bother to write.

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nonwo's avatar

That would have been thermite. If they used nukes or depleted uranium, it would be too easy to figure out who did it.

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SaHiB's avatar

Excellent cover-up, but thermite (or -ate) doesn't accomplish controlled demolition of buildings. And what of DU? Only useful as the outer shell of thermonuclear explosives. If they'd used those, there wouldn't be much Manhattan left!

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nonwo's avatar

Also Danny Jowenko, world famous demolish expert said it was controlled by controlled demolition. He was murdered shortly after he made the announcement

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/911-whistleblower-who-claimed-wt7-was-a-demolition-murdered-by-cia/

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SaHiB's avatar

It was! The nukes were underpowered so as not to be too blatantly obvious. "The M28 or M29 Davy Crockett Weapon System was a tactical nuclear ... M388 nuclear projectile, armed with the W54 nuclear warhead. ... It remains one of the smallest nuclear weapon systems ever built, incorporating a warhead with yields of 10 to 20 tons of TNT (42 to 84 GJ)." Ordinary HE munitions (detonations visible in some videos) cut the superstructure supports. The Dutch East Indies Company lives.

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nonwo's avatar

It has already been documented by physicist Steven Jones who visited ground zero a few days afterward that thermite was painted onto all the beams and walls of all floors, all rooms. This took about 10 months to finish. Only the U.S. military has access to thermite.

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SaHiB's avatar

No, he didn't. He turned his XRF on his SEM off quite early in the periodic table. You nuke steel girders, aluminum construction materials, and gypsum wallboard, and the vapors condense into the sort of "thermate" residue beads he found. He's controlled opposition. He has never responded to any of my several inquiries to him.

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nonwo's avatar

Iran does not need nukes to destroy the U.S. or Israel.

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Corrin Strong's avatar

i’m sure nobody is interested in an actual land war invasion of Iran. The question is do we want to sit back and let them perfect their nuclear weapons?

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nonwo's avatar

They could have made nukes anytime if they wanted, I’ve been hearing this crap for the last 45 years.

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Yang Ming Mountain's avatar

@nonwo Oh no, it means you have been an evil imbecile for longer than 45 years. Who were your parents? You must have come from an evil family.

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Yang Ming Mountain's avatar

@nonwo Hi, nonWO, you must know yourself are EVIL, but you still insist on going down your path in your hopeless life.

On the other hand, if you have never felt that way, then you are an absolute idiot with a robotic IQ (=0).

A side note: I bet you are the kind of evil person who cast ballots for Obama in 2008 and 2012, didn’t you?

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nonwo's avatar

How much are you being paid per post, Hasbara?

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nonwo's avatar

It always amazes me to hear from Hasbara on substack!! Hello!

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Tershia's avatar

None so blind as those who will not see

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nonwo's avatar

HUH?

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nonwo's avatar

You are all over the place. You support Palestinians but you are against Al Assad. He is pro Palestinian. So is Iran.

I’m sorry it seems like you don’t have a grasp, a base of the workings of the world. If I’m not correct, please let me know. You pick and choose haphazardly not knowing everything is connected.

Also why are you mimicking the corrupt MSM?

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nonwo's avatar

They can make nukes practically overnight if they wanted. Iran is against WMDs only those for defense. As a matter of fact the Before the Iran Iraq war the U.S. gave Saddam tons of Saran nerve gas to drop on Iran. Even though Iran had stockpiles of Saran given to the Shah by the U.S., they refused to use it even though millions of Iranians were killed by the nerve gas when Saddam dropped it on the country.

To refer to Iran as you did shows your naïveté and your reliance on the MSM for your information.

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Jason's avatar

War with Iran would prove to the people who just don’t want to believe it that Israel controls our government.

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Karl's avatar
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It is not just the Middle East that was thrown into political „chaos“ as the result of the victors (Britain, France, USA) with their hubristic decisions in 1919. They did the same or worse in Europe where THEY created the conditions for the rise of FASCISM and NAZISM. British supremacist politicians were planning the destruction of a competing and prosperous Germany already in the 1890s as were western politicians planning the destruction of a rising Russia from the ashes of the 1990s and on. Take the insults thrown at the German emperor William II and you have the adjectives used for Putin of the last 20 plus years. But now they miscalculated badly because Russia today is far better positioned than early twentieth century Germany.

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nonwo's avatar

I 200% agree with your first paragraph and 100% disagree with the second. The ahem neocons did not want Trump 2020 they already picked Biden for the immigration/ covid vax|climate change and DEI agenda. This was to advance globalization and depopulation. They feared Trump may throw a monkey wrench in their agenda.

The charges against Trump were weak and many just made up.

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nonwo's avatar

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

It is called The Kushner Plan. The expansion of Israel is a many decades long endeavor. Donald Trump is leading the charge and will use Jared and his buddy Nuttyyahoo to get 'er done:

https://open.substack.com/pub/abuseproductions810557/p/the-kushner-plan

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Mediocrates's avatar

America could not resolve the differences that existed between North and South Vietnam in 1970's - the combined population was then 45+ million Vietnamese. There is no way that USA can subjugate the population of Iran - population now 92+ million - even if the US was to attempt this at the behest of Zionist Israel. The American pro-war psyche will continue to stir whilst the parasitic main stream media persists in pumping war-hawk mis-information into every printed headline and tv newscast.

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Rascal Nick Of's avatar

No war against Iran.

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Victoria Cooper's avatar

This all sounds very logical until you factor in the fact that the Quran is a hand book for world domination.

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nonwo's avatar

lol!! Have you read it or are you mimicking Salmon Rushdie?

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Victoria Cooper's avatar

No, I am counting the number of mosques in UK. I am seeing the number of Muslims in political positions, in Westminster, demanding blasphemy laws, halal meat in schools, legalising first cousin marriages, the curriculum in schools changing to embrace islamism. I can see the population growing where year on year the most common name for babies is Mohamed. I am seeing pro Palestine marches every week funded by Iran, via the Muslim Brotherhood cells. I am seeing "grooming gangs" getting away with violating white girls, I am seeing massacres and knife attacks on little white girls. Are you denying the Quran is a handbook for world domination? Kill the Jews, then the Christians, then all infidels. Iran is has an extremist regime. It is not like other targets. Appease them at your peril. They don't do diplomacy, and they don't do integration.

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nonwo's avatar

Where are you getting this from?

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nonwo's avatar

I’m Christian and every Muslim I have met, especially Iranians, are warm, peaceful and generous.I only hear the opposite on Republican MSM.Their talking heads get a script by the state dept to read then get a couple million dollar salary reward for going along with it.

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Victoria Cooper's avatar

My eyes. I live in UK.

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nonwo's avatar
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I wish we had the Muslims. We are in a “sanctuary city” (DEI woke blah blah) in the U.S. and you should see what we get.Illegals that are criminals even murderers and the left wants to keep them here

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Victoria Cooper's avatar

Haha, nope, the Muslims are not woke! But their religion is medieval and barbaric. They don't integrate, they literally want to take over, and they are succeeding, all over Europe. We are under invasion and our woke Prime Minister and his moronic Cabinet are just letting them. I call that treasonal.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Say it louder for the people in Congress!! This is a fool’s errand, and public opinion is NOT with this. You also are disturbingly correct in that Netanyahu is not above committing a false flag on American soil with the intent being to goad the US into war on their behalf. They have done it before (9/11) and they did it again just a couple years ago with that Oct 7 stunt - which they clearly orchestrated and allowed. Netanyahu is not a beloved leader in his own Country - many oppose him. Netanyahu doesn’t care; he has his own world domination ambitions and is only too happy to sacrifice both his own countrymen and ours to achieve them. Let him fight his own wars, or better yet, put him in jail for crimes against humanity for allowing Oct 7 so he had an excuse to wipe Gazans off the map. He is a dangerous psychopath.

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Doc Pruyne's avatar

Netanyaho is desperate to prolong the conflict because he will be charged with corruption as soon as he's out of office and will go to jail.

That's why Trymp wanted to stay in office, so he could dodge the many charges against him. Teflon Don got away with another one, slimy as he is, so everything slides right off him.

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nonwo's avatar
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I respectively disagree. Iran has never first attack any nation. All of their weapons are for defensive purposes.

They are not Islamic lunatics- those would be the Wahabees and Salafis employed by the U.S. govt. the Shiites-Iran, Syria are peace loving. I guess you don’t know the U.S. under Carter and General Westmoreland got rid of the Shah and place Komeini in. The U.S. taxpayers were paying for Komeinis rent in Paris for 8 yrs until the CIA decided Islamic govt was preferable to communism. Any fanatical Islamic govt was put in by the U.S., look at Afghanistan. If you knew them under the soviets you would think they were a western state. Then the U.S. overthrew the secular govt and put in a fanatical Islamic regime.

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RoseMartyn's avatar

Rarely do I disagree with you. But on this essay, I think you are too generous to a disgraceful bunch of hypocrites of the credentialed class. These people scheme as they do because they have positioned themselves with the power and opportunity to greatly enrich themselves through the “military industrial complex.” They want the money they “earn” this way. If innocent people die, who cares. They have justified it all through their hypocrisy.

It’s not that complicated as you describe. The only thing that is complicated is how they actually managed to siphon their wealth from the american taxpayer.

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nonwo's avatar

I think the answer to your question is in order of importance

1) printing fiat money to pay for all of the below

2) using the media to brainwash the viewers that everyone is our enemy. This is useful for military recruitment to invade innocent countries with resources or the power to be an economic or military equal in the future.

3) scouting for corrupt compromised individuals and placing them in political positions from county councils to President

4) rigging ALL the elections in the west down to head of the school board, paid for by fiat money

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nonwo's avatar

This bothers me about him.

The neocons are among the most evil people on earth. He cannot give them a pass. This reflects on his credibility and makes me think he is a limited hangout- a military psyop such as an official revealing “truthful” observations that are small and inconsequential to get the trust of the masses when he says a big lie. The masses will say “He was truthful before so I believe him.”

Sorry Mr. Leake, you will have to explain yourself with this one.

Until then I and others have suspicions about your sincerity.

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Ben Jordan's avatar

I'd suggest your analysis misses the mark. We live in a very violent and sick world. Every empire of mankind collapses and ends up in the ash bin of history. Mankind's pride always leads to their undoing. Don't kid yourself that the Ottoman empire was one iota better, or more enlightened, than the broken Sykes- Picot plan, that was implemented by the French and UK. Mankind has, and always will be, broken, blind and self-delusional.

IMHO, there is one true God in heaven who is sovereign over the affairs of sinful mankind. And, empires rise and fall in accordance with His will! The hearts of men are utterly evil, and there is only one solution, to know God's Messiah and be transformed by the renewal of one's mind and heart! God's Word alone reveals the blueprint for living, but few find it, read and internalize it. Judeo-Christian values alone lead to relatively stable and prosperous civilizations. Nevertheless, the delusions of men and demonic powers never fail to corrupt! Apart from Jesus, the Christ, there is no hope! Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me (look it up in your Bible). So, he's either a liar, insane, or who he himself says he is. IMHO, no religion saves, no church saves! There is only one name under heaven by which men and women are saved, that name is Jesus (look up Saint Peter's statement in Acts of the Apostles)! He alone is Lord and Savior and his return is very soon! So turn to him and live!

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Sue Shimer's avatar

I disagree with the possibility the Ottoman Turks should have been left alone to run the Middle East. They were a bloody lot, too, no better than Assad or Hussein. Perhaps if the OTs had been left alone though, nature might have taken its course without the tender mercies of British, French, and German colonialism. Maybe if “evolution” had been left to itself, something saner and more sensible would have arisen without the religious zealots. Arabs, Persians, et al developed complex mathematics, astronomy, and other sciences, not to mention poets, artists, literature, and mystics… They are not exactly Third World, except by religious zealotry terrorism choice.

Isn’t it time to stay home and stop funding the military/industrial complex globalist cadre of asshats? Why should the US support anything that wants a constant state of war for profit? Isn’t it time to “Just say no”? Unfortunately, don’t think Trump reads Substack posts…

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