Hi Doc! We are looking forward to seeing you at our church in June! Dana and I would love to make you two or more dinner again. Chat about this horrible spike thrombus I have too. 🙏🏼🤙🏼🙏🏼
It’s important for everyone to know that when spike proteins enter the bloodstream, our T-cells cannot directly react to them. Antigen presenting cells like macrophages and dendritic cells take in the spike protein, chop it into smaller pieces called peptides, and display them on their surfaces on MHC type 2 sites to T-helper cells. The T-helper cells have been trained in the thymus gland to recognize the shapes of self-proteins to protect us from autoimmunity. There is a very complicated but necessary communication between the T-helper cells and the B-cells (B-cells make the antibodies) to make sure antibodies are not created against proteins that look like self. Here’s the part people need to know: B-cells are also antigen presenting cells and can directly react to the circulating spike proteins. Some people crank out so many spike proteins that their B-cells autoactivate and start releasing dangerous antibodies that result in autoimmune conditions. Just for fun, plug that into AI and see what it says.
Using the assumptions of traditional virology any coronavirus has a full set of highly conserved proteins like "N" that our T-cells are likely trained to target in our respiratory system they do not need to create new antibodies targeting Spike. All the talk of viral spike effects feels like mythology that goes with petrie dish RNA bestowed w magical replication fidelity and conflate pure clones in rodents with human biology.
What you state is true with natural exposures on the epithelial barrier, but since the mRNA in the shot is designed to force cells to make only the spike protein (or parts of it due to frame shifting), the immune system will build serum antibodies against it.
Fair enough but so much effort seems focused on conflating mRNA TRANSFECTION with some natural exposure and Spike seems to be blamed for creating conditions that were chronic before 2020.
It's still mindboggling to me that TRANSFECTIONS are still referred to as vaccines when there is NO similarity beyond syringe delivery and we have known for certain since death of Jesse Gelsinger that novel proteins will NEVER be tolerated by our immune systems.
Every transplant patient knows this even twins are not identical enough to fool Mother Nature into recognizing as self. How are we five years into this lobotomy level experiment yet fundamentals of immune system function is lost in a haze of Spike babble?
Pamela, are you able to describe what is in the original WIV1 spike which is still the core of the vaccine, and what the various spike antigens were designed to do?
Do you know how the spike has evolved since that time in terms of variations, and what the bio-immune effects of those genetic changes could be say, in a naive person, who says they have not yet experienced infection and have not been vaccinated?
I sense both anger and frustration in your replies, almost as if you feel that this discussion is redundant.
Perhaps you could explain that frustration, once you have answered the two questions above, and their relevance to the immune discussions above.
"Pamela, are you able to describe what is in the original WIV1 spike which is still the core of the vaccine,"
This was never a vaccine it is TRANSFECTION decades old process of synthetic clones grown in E.coli and grown in purity & quantity required for ALL virology study & vaccine design.. fun fact the petrie dish of clones is called Gain of Function that is nothing more than growing clones of RNA sequences that can NEVER be cultured in Nature.
If we cannot establish the basic terms for the process argument will omit the obvious basis for failure known over decades. Foreign proteins trigger immune system to target them for destruction.. tricking our cells into being toxic factories was never a viable plan.
"Do you know how the spike has evolved since that time in terms of variations, and what the bio-immune effects of those genetic changes could be"
The question includes so many assumptions that are unsupported by biology and myths perpetuated by testing measures. Nothing in Nature is identical so every claim of unique in Nature suddenly identical globally is a lie only the gene jockeys can make about their patent protected mutants.
Okay, so basically, in a nutshell, you are a no-virus adherant, and therefore none of the know genetics done on the spike has any relevance in your mind?
"These findings imply it is indeed the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein from infection or vaccination that is causing autoimmunity. "
How is it possible to identify "infection" related injury from wild type RNA that was a potential source of illness when a full spectrum of sources for injury from diets to Rx drugs are totally omitted from the analysis?
How is "long Covid"differentiated from chronic fatigue that was widespread before 2020?
Very different. I had it CFS in the 1990s, after a relapse of EBV, and was part of a study which looked at red blood cells. I still have the results, and the researchers were so unhappy with my blood they rang me really concerned that I should be in hospital.
Yes, when the test was done I was really bad, but they got back to me 6 weeks later, when to a large degree I had much of it sorted and was bouncing around with my blood pressure much better and symptoms well reduced. It did take a bit longer to work out how to get back to normal. I knew other people who had it too. Some just lived with it, but others like me, got over it.
What I see today in people who had covid is very different to what happened back then. It hits much deeper with far worse symptoms for many, and the fallout of long covid is much worse.
Which is understandable, as EBV did not have a GOF spike, which incorporated as many receptor nasties as is just about possible, and EBV did not have the number of immune-crashers that the spike has.
No clue what form of illness CFS or EBV might be but there is one big myth we can bust here pretty easily...
"Which is understandable, as EBV did not have a GOF spike,"
Gain of Function is the process for making CRISPR clones to grow in E.coli they cannot take to the air and remain as pure concentrate or have replication fidelity.
Now maybe the BSL2 labs that work with these might expose someone to these pure clones and that might induce serious illness but NOTHING that night be passed from the infected person is unchanged & replication fidelity is under rules of Nature.. pandemic potential is a lie & GoF like enriched uranium have no resemblence to what exists in Nature.
As decades long tracker of Rockefeller-Gates Biotech Mafia w ham fisted genetic mutants it looks like an old bench tool used in every Medical School, virology lab, vaccine development operations where "RNA virus" that can NEVER be grown from wild samples are cobbled together as CRISPR clones grown in E.coli by TRANSFECTING cell culture but as "novel vaccine" or establishing "novel use" takes mop & bucket level tool and turns it into cash cow w unique application.
Fraud from inception to delivery.. dying for profits.. 2015 lab catalogue!!
The title tells it all. I have CREST Syndrome which I believe was caused by a series of college required vaccine updates in 1998 and again for grad school in 2000 due to misplaced records. That's a lot in a 2 year span! 1st symptom was "carpel tunnel" (it wasn't- a positive ANA prevented surgery), then Raynaud's, then slow decline in esophageal motility until there is no measurable motion. Gravity is my friend! I was "diagnosed" with "mixed connective tissue disease", then Lupus, Lyme's (no reliable tests then), and finally CREST which is now the official diagnosis. Annual monitoring of lungs and heart. Autoimmunity is a very complex, yet sometimes vague "coverall". That ANA test can be vague too. But I had plenty of hydroxychloroquine during covid!
Dr.M; I remain extremely grateful for your diligence,and thorough work. I do occasionally move video product from here to Instagram (Armechanix) but always credit you,your account there, and recommend subscriptions here in comments. I did notice you’d stopped by the page a couple weeks ago…quite a honor. I do refrain from posting any amount of your work that could lead to anyone getting anything resembling a “free subscription “. Respect and gratitude, Marc Thimmel
Hi Doc! We are looking forward to seeing you at our church in June! Dana and I would love to make you two or more dinner again. Chat about this horrible spike thrombus I have too. 🙏🏼🤙🏼🙏🏼
It’s important for everyone to know that when spike proteins enter the bloodstream, our T-cells cannot directly react to them. Antigen presenting cells like macrophages and dendritic cells take in the spike protein, chop it into smaller pieces called peptides, and display them on their surfaces on MHC type 2 sites to T-helper cells. The T-helper cells have been trained in the thymus gland to recognize the shapes of self-proteins to protect us from autoimmunity. There is a very complicated but necessary communication between the T-helper cells and the B-cells (B-cells make the antibodies) to make sure antibodies are not created against proteins that look like self. Here’s the part people need to know: B-cells are also antigen presenting cells and can directly react to the circulating spike proteins. Some people crank out so many spike proteins that their B-cells autoactivate and start releasing dangerous antibodies that result in autoimmune conditions. Just for fun, plug that into AI and see what it says.
Using the assumptions of traditional virology any coronavirus has a full set of highly conserved proteins like "N" that our T-cells are likely trained to target in our respiratory system they do not need to create new antibodies targeting Spike. All the talk of viral spike effects feels like mythology that goes with petrie dish RNA bestowed w magical replication fidelity and conflate pure clones in rodents with human biology.
What you state is true with natural exposures on the epithelial barrier, but since the mRNA in the shot is designed to force cells to make only the spike protein (or parts of it due to frame shifting), the immune system will build serum antibodies against it.
Fair enough but so much effort seems focused on conflating mRNA TRANSFECTION with some natural exposure and Spike seems to be blamed for creating conditions that were chronic before 2020.
It's still mindboggling to me that TRANSFECTIONS are still referred to as vaccines when there is NO similarity beyond syringe delivery and we have known for certain since death of Jesse Gelsinger that novel proteins will NEVER be tolerated by our immune systems.
Every transplant patient knows this even twins are not identical enough to fool Mother Nature into recognizing as self. How are we five years into this lobotomy level experiment yet fundamentals of immune system function is lost in a haze of Spike babble?
https://web.archive.org/web/20121025034826/https://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/28/magazine/the-biotech-death-of-jesse-gelsinger.html
Pamela, are you able to describe what is in the original WIV1 spike which is still the core of the vaccine, and what the various spike antigens were designed to do?
Do you know how the spike has evolved since that time in terms of variations, and what the bio-immune effects of those genetic changes could be say, in a naive person, who says they have not yet experienced infection and have not been vaccinated?
I sense both anger and frustration in your replies, almost as if you feel that this discussion is redundant.
Perhaps you could explain that frustration, once you have answered the two questions above, and their relevance to the immune discussions above.
"Pamela, are you able to describe what is in the original WIV1 spike which is still the core of the vaccine,"
This was never a vaccine it is TRANSFECTION decades old process of synthetic clones grown in E.coli and grown in purity & quantity required for ALL virology study & vaccine design.. fun fact the petrie dish of clones is called Gain of Function that is nothing more than growing clones of RNA sequences that can NEVER be cultured in Nature.
If we cannot establish the basic terms for the process argument will omit the obvious basis for failure known over decades. Foreign proteins trigger immune system to target them for destruction.. tricking our cells into being toxic factories was never a viable plan.
"Do you know how the spike has evolved since that time in terms of variations, and what the bio-immune effects of those genetic changes could be"
The question includes so many assumptions that are unsupported by biology and myths perpetuated by testing measures. Nothing in Nature is identical so every claim of unique in Nature suddenly identical globally is a lie only the gene jockeys can make about their patent protected mutants.
Swabs waved in open air as diagnostic is ridiculous and human immune systems have prior exposure to lots of shared proteins so spike is irrelevant except as a good excuse to blame components rather than murder and lies. Diamond Princess was proof it was media psyop threat not a pathogen. https://web.archive.org/web/20161206155142/http://www.gryphonscientific.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Risk-and-Benefit-Analysis-of-Gain-of-Function-Research-Final-Report.pdf
Okay, so basically, in a nutshell, you are a no-virus adherant, and therefore none of the know genetics done on the spike has any relevance in your mind?
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"These findings imply it is indeed the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein from infection or vaccination that is causing autoimmunity. "
How is it possible to identify "infection" related injury from wild type RNA that was a potential source of illness when a full spectrum of sources for injury from diets to Rx drugs are totally omitted from the analysis?
How is "long Covid"differentiated from chronic fatigue that was widespread before 2020?
Very different. I had it CFS in the 1990s, after a relapse of EBV, and was part of a study which looked at red blood cells. I still have the results, and the researchers were so unhappy with my blood they rang me really concerned that I should be in hospital.
Yes, when the test was done I was really bad, but they got back to me 6 weeks later, when to a large degree I had much of it sorted and was bouncing around with my blood pressure much better and symptoms well reduced. It did take a bit longer to work out how to get back to normal. I knew other people who had it too. Some just lived with it, but others like me, got over it.
What I see today in people who had covid is very different to what happened back then. It hits much deeper with far worse symptoms for many, and the fallout of long covid is much worse.
Which is understandable, as EBV did not have a GOF spike, which incorporated as many receptor nasties as is just about possible, and EBV did not have the number of immune-crashers that the spike has.
No clue what form of illness CFS or EBV might be but there is one big myth we can bust here pretty easily...
"Which is understandable, as EBV did not have a GOF spike,"
Gain of Function is the process for making CRISPR clones to grow in E.coli they cannot take to the air and remain as pure concentrate or have replication fidelity.
Now maybe the BSL2 labs that work with these might expose someone to these pure clones and that might induce serious illness but NOTHING that night be passed from the infected person is unchanged & replication fidelity is under rules of Nature.. pandemic potential is a lie & GoF like enriched uranium have no resemblence to what exists in Nature.
They didn’t know though, right???
As decades long tracker of Rockefeller-Gates Biotech Mafia w ham fisted genetic mutants it looks like an old bench tool used in every Medical School, virology lab, vaccine development operations where "RNA virus" that can NEVER be grown from wild samples are cobbled together as CRISPR clones grown in E.coli by TRANSFECTING cell culture but as "novel vaccine" or establishing "novel use" takes mop & bucket level tool and turns it into cash cow w unique application.
Fraud from inception to delivery.. dying for profits.. 2015 lab catalogue!!
https://web.archive.org/web/20150822064507/https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/home/references/gibco-cell-culture-basics/transfection-basics.html
The title tells it all. I have CREST Syndrome which I believe was caused by a series of college required vaccine updates in 1998 and again for grad school in 2000 due to misplaced records. That's a lot in a 2 year span! 1st symptom was "carpel tunnel" (it wasn't- a positive ANA prevented surgery), then Raynaud's, then slow decline in esophageal motility until there is no measurable motion. Gravity is my friend! I was "diagnosed" with "mixed connective tissue disease", then Lupus, Lyme's (no reliable tests then), and finally CREST which is now the official diagnosis. Annual monitoring of lungs and heart. Autoimmunity is a very complex, yet sometimes vague "coverall". That ANA test can be vague too. But I had plenty of hydroxychloroquine during covid!
Dr.M; I remain extremely grateful for your diligence,and thorough work. I do occasionally move video product from here to Instagram (Armechanix) but always credit you,your account there, and recommend subscriptions here in comments. I did notice you’d stopped by the page a couple weeks ago…quite a honor. I do refrain from posting any amount of your work that could lead to anyone getting anything resembling a “free subscription “. Respect and gratitude, Marc Thimmel