Capt. Lobach's family has wiped out all her social media connections AND those of other family members. which apparently had any reference to her. All this before agreeing to share her identity with the public. Interesting.
Consider she had a "partner," and she worked with or for the press secretary, who also has a "partner," and she enjoyed "Pride" events. Some families aren't comfortable with the world knowing this and much more, likely, on her social media.
And she was a certified Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention (SHARP) Victim Advocate. It's typical DEI BS: "an ambassador of this/that," "a champion in whatever BS" Careerists go for such titles to increase their "visibility."
Well. They just lost their child and they are trying to protect her reputation. So while we look at what happened , to them it is heartbreaking and oersonal .
Because the public can be vicious - because she could be responsible . Even good pilots screw up - and why did the army have them out there at night ? It is on their shoulders ultimately . Probably a left leaning family - and they don’t trust the administration and MAga.
Umm, don't the other soldiers family's deserve that? How about all soldiers families, always, forevermore, get to delay names of their dead into l they get to sanitize the deceased's social media...because the public can be vicious, and feelings and stuff?
No special dispensation. That's what got her killed in the first place, special dispensation above other, more qualified soldiers. And took down her crew and a passenger jet to boot. If there was nothing embarrassing, like say, a hammer and sickle flag, Antifa flag, rainbow flag, and/or Trump hate political rants then they wouldn't have needed the time to scrub it. The cover up never works as imagined. It just draws more attention to what they're hiding. And the minor scandal becomes a big one.
Agree about the public. But the real question (as you pointed out) was why do training at night in congested airspace and why was the helicopter at 2x its intended altitude?
She was the Squadron XO . There are currency requirements. Most likely it was scheduled in haste because she had deferred it while she participating in Biden farewell events and other activities.
As to the second half of the question. Why are they out there at night? Their squadron is charged with evacuating political leaders in an emergency. That means 24/7.
Actually at night it's usually far easier to ID traffic with landing lights on than it is in the day but more difficult to estimate range.
As a pilot when I acknowledge that I have traffic in sight to me it represents a contract with the controller that I will see and avoid. If I lose sight I let the controller know and ask for a new pointout.
In a real emergency (like 9/11) civilian air traffic into Reagan would likely be restricted.
He makes a big deal about a house being faded out in Google Earth street view but if he just looked at it in direct vertical view it is entirely visible-- in Google Earth. It has even much higher resolution viewed from "Maps" on any Apple computer. Very nice image of that house. . . then, he starts whining how an F35 falls out of the sky in midair and Elon Musk "hates" them because they are not quite invisible. Who cares? This is BS.
They were out flying that night because she needed a proficiency checkride. The mission of the unit is to provide both regular and emergency transportation of top administration officials. Thus. they need to be able to fly this difficult route night and day.
It is absolutely a heartbreaking that they lost their child. They never would’ve lost their child if somebody hadn’t been doing the extraordinarily stupid thing of putting her in a situation where the only thing she could do was fail and do that catastrophically. The stupidity of the army prior to January 20 is out an end. She never should’ve been flying that helicopter and if training on it should not have been training on it on a runway at Reagan airport.
My guess is that she had deferred her checkride while she was participating in many events during the final days of the Biden presidency.
It was not a training flight but rather a checkride. She's the XO of the unit so chances are she scheduled it , potentially because she would lose her currency without the checkride.
What we also know is that she spent a lot of time in the Biden White House during the final days.
Typical and predictable behavior which guilty always engage in. This explains why they witheld her identity. they know they are wrong. so they want to make like she is something she was not. Perhaps to save themselves embarressment and/or harassement or more.
"behavior which guilty always engage in" and "they know they are wrong" - you are talking about a family that is now enduring the worst possible nightmare and you know NOTHING about them so why don't you and the other know-it-alls on here just give it a rest already
Seems fair game to me given the tragedy of 67 lives snuffed out in a matter of seconds when the pilot of that helicopter ran into the back of that plane. It was landing, on final approach, in VFR conditions (they were 100% responsible to maintain separation). This never should have happened. Yet it did. I empathize with all those who lost loved ones. Cannot change it now. Answers and accountability are 100% required.
In these times of forced DEI, Neo-Marxist, critical race theory indoctrination which started under Obama and was on steroids during Biden, this country was damaged to the core with lies, misrepresentation, propaganda, brainwashing, censorship, etc. all in the cause of forwarding the Leftist agenda for Democrats to win and hold power by any means necessary. It has been a bubble of ideological nonsense that did inestimable harm to people in this country, which favored classes and masses based on race and gender affirmations and anti-American sentiments the likes of which this country has never seen before, and I hope never sees again. The reports that have surfaced about the 28 yr old female pilot who ran into that plane on final approach is steeped in ideology, gender affirmation, and much of the nonsense which has prevailed under Biden and Obama. We know for certain that thousands of very qualified white people were refused jobs because quotas for DEI took priority, and many took positions for which they were less qualified, all because the game was rigged. This is what the majority of people in this country realize and spoke their minds with their mandate election vote that put President Trump back in the White House. In less than three weeks in office, he has dismantled and declared null and void much of these DEI, racists and leftist ideologies that have nearly crippled the country. I applaud that, as does a majority of voters. In my own defense, I was not denigrating a family by my remarks, rather I was calling out their actions to cover up their loved one's FB and social media pages and withholding her identity for the public, who has a right to know the truth of this horrible tragedy. We will see how the investigation unfolds. As a former FAA qualified Air Traffic controller, local and tower supervisor, radar GCA, etc. I know a bit of how air Traffic works. 'Safe expeditious flow of traffic' has always been the priority. In this recent (IMO) avoidable crash, neither safety or expeditious flow of traffic was conducted as required. I fully anticipate the findings will reveal what went wrong.
Excellent post and ALL here surely appreciate you listing your background; sure speaks to your credibility.
By the way, question:
Would you agree that the main, immediate component of this crash was the fact the helo Failed to be at correct altitude, and secondly, that the tower controller failed to Follow him and demand he turn as the planes converged?
It’s evidence of consciousness of guilt. While we can sympathize with them for the loss of a family member, dozens of other people lost their lives bc of this unqualified DEI pilot, and my sympathy is primarily with THEIR families. The lesbian DEI hire who caused this crash, and her superiors who put her in a position to murder so many others, are the responsible parties here, and if her family hides the truth about it, then no one should be protecting them, either.
Latest NTSB report confirms Helicopter was flying above it's hard limit of 200 feet and caused the horrible crash that killed 67, plus the 3 on board Army chopper.
Whether or not they “want” her name and history known is irrelevant-she caused an accident that killed dozens of people, so let’s just be real clear here, it’s a facts over feelings sitch. We don’t let drunk drivers off the hook bc everyone knowing their personal history would cause the family extra grief, either.
My guess is that the final report will show concern for the operation of the helo and will, as they are prone to do , look carefully at events prior to her commencement of the flight as pilot in command. aka PIC.
As XO and with deep ties to the political side there may have been some rules or good judgement waived.
One of the questions will be if this was jammed in get it done before the end of the month for currency or flight pay reasons.
The family is not responsible for the deaths. I think, even if it turns out that the disaster was caused by a mechanical malfunction or a hacked computer system, people will just say that that information is a coverup because the collision must have been caused by the fact that the pilot was a woman. I’m not making excuses. I just want the full truth without any sugar coating. I am completely opposed to DEI and I question the wisdom of women serving in combat roles. I think there may be certain positions in the military where women can serve very well.
Therefore, it is important NOT to create the appearance of a cover-up by withholding the name while scrubbing the social media. I do not believe people will automatically say that the problem had to do with her being a woman. Women do perform as pilots every day. The fear that has been raised is that her social media MAY have included comments that showed hostility and untoward motive. That hostility, if present, MAY have come out of a DEI viewpoint. Best to be totally transparent to keep conjecture at bay.
I agree with your sentiments expressed here & certainly don't like women in combat roles losing life & limb. The question here was not so much her being a woman, but being an insufficiently experienced one. She obviously would know she was flying towards an active airport, as she was based there. Her uniform photo makes her an obvious lesbian & they tend to be aggressive.
Of course not but her social media posts would have documented all the stuff she was doing with the Biden gang . Flying is not just showing up to fly but also maintaining currency , focus and physical condition. including rest.
Check out the "non interruptible autopilot by Honeywell" - which was created with 9/11 - so the "swamp" could take over any plane or helicopter remotely, and the pilot could not do anything . . . !
They sold this insanity as a means of "security" against terrorism!
But the real terrorism comes from within.
So consider this to be an insane freak show from the "swamp" to intimidate President Trump . . . !
Yes; my Uncle served in the Army, in the 1960's......stationed in Germany.
Back then, it was easy to manipulate people to join the military, to 'Protect America' and/or 'Fight for America's Freedom'. Both statements are a bunch of HORSESHIT, as we all SHOULD know, by now.
In the age of the internet.....people SHOULD know by now, that the military FIGHTS FOR THE GLOBALISTS/BANKSTERS. And NO AMERICAN should be a part of that military!
I disagree. She is a human being first. She should be allowed a personal life.
My question though is did she know something, was she a target? Was her job allowing her to see certain meetings between Biden and others? Perhaps she was going to be used to help build a case against someone. (Just a wild thought not sure that would be possible, would the deep state be trying to take out its own?)
You would not have the ability to do it that quickly. It had to have come from the Biden insiders who still have a lot of connections although they are on the streets. Remember the 50+ intelligence folks who signed the letter stating that the Biden laptop was likely Russian , most all of them knew it was real and the FBI had in their possession both the original and confirmation from Apple via Hunter's iCloud .
Had the FBI top brass been honest they would have allowed the Grand Jury investigation of Joe and Hunter's bank accounts to have proceeded prior to the 2020 election. The feds had been receiving SAR( suspicious activity reports) long before the election. FBI agents who were to pursue the case were called off and if they protested they were fired.
The question had to do with the trustworthiness of senior govt officials and we know there have been gross deceptions, often with the knowledge of the press.
They wouldn’t release her name for days while they erased her information to cover up and hide that she was only hired for DEI because she was a lesbian. She was hired on her sexual preference, not on merit. The families of her fellow soldiers and the 67 people on the plane might SUE her estate, as well as the government for letting an unqualified pilot kill all these people.
THEE ONLY consideration, that is given to the family, is that they are notified of a death, before the public. The SECOND that the family IS......NAMES ARE RELEASED.
What does TRAITOR Trump have to do with this?
He did NOT RELEASE THE NAME in a TIMELY manner; like the other 2 names that were released. Which tells all of us......they're HIDING something.
And when something is BEING HIDDEN......it is the OPPOSITE of TRANSPARENT!
Understand??
It also means that TRAITOR Trump is now a CO-CONSPIRATOR to what IS being HIDDEN. Trump SAYS that his Admin is TRANSPARENT?.....I say that he IS A LIAR!
I do not have a DELUSIONAL Mind. Therefore, I cannot have TDS.
There are TWO groups that have TDS........
LibTards.......
They hate Trump for FAKE, MADE-UP reasons; or for NO reason at all.
The Trump Cult......
Like the LibTards, the Trump Cult live in a DELUSIONAL BUBBLE; they BELIEVE (as opposed to THINK!), that Trump is their SAVIOR; that he is 'on their side' and will 'fix everything'. And Trump can do no wrong!
BOTH groups are TDS DELUSIONAL! (aka Mentally Ill)
I, on the other hand, have PLENTY of REAL, ACTUAL reasons to hate that POS!
Well I have a savior and it’s not Trump . But he is my president . That level of hatred you have there isn’t good for the soul - just a friendly observation .
Clearly, you do not know the difference between 'LIP SERVICE' (talking) and DOING.
LIP SERVICE EXAMPLE: 'Congress' has a bazillion 'hearings', 'inquiries', ect......but HOW MANY of those CRIMINALS, that these 'hearings', and whatnot, that have gone to 'testify'......HOW MANY OF THOSE CRIMINALS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED/GONE TO PRISON.......ZERO!!
I can think of one who has appeared, MANY times, and is STILL WALKING FREE.......FAUCI! So, what we get is LIP SERVICE. ZERO ACTION (DOING).
And the ZOMBIES think that this is just fine!
YEAR after YEAR......DECADE after DECADE.......nothing but LIP SERVICE!
THIS, TOO......you will be fed LIP SERVICE (LIES), the dumbed-down public will BELIEVE it, because they are MENTALLY STUNTED......and it will be 'Business as Usual'!
The concept that Trump controlled the released the two names is a joke. It's the dying act of the Bidens and the opening act of the democRAT underground.
The next 1,400 days are not going to be fun for the RATS
There are still A LOT of swamp people in DC and the military...Give him time to flush the toilet. Right now he's busy getting rid of all the murders and rapists that the dems invited in.
I don’t blame them for that. They don’t need to read the comments they would see while grieving the loss of her. What a terrible feeling of guilt they may be experiencing.
The public is increasingly cruel, a trend that started some time ago and has gotten exponentially worse. I doubt scrubbing her social media was anything more than trying to protect her memory and her friends/family from trolls.
As the article notes she was very active in the Biden WH . There are a whole lot of other factors that are likely to have played a part and changing any one of them would probably have changed the outcome.
I think the wiping of the internet had a lot to do with her involvement with the Biden WH and perhaps some other issues.
Well gee, clearly her time as a Buy-Dem WH social aide with all her social skills was a big qualifying factor for piloting Blackhawks in the dark at a hugely busy airport with short runways.🙄 DEI anyone?
Having watched the video several times, it looks like a direct attack. Not saying it was, just looks that way. Also dropping several hundred feet in an instant stopping at the same level as the commercial plane then flying at that altitude directly toward the plane makes no sense.
There are a lot of us wondering if the helicopter was taken over remotely. Considering that the helo's ID was PAT25, which stands for Priority Air Transport 25, it sure seems like it was carrying a VIP.
I think the most likely explanation is that it was carrying at least one VIP that the CIA wanted killed, and they put in inexperienced and DEI crew to make an accident seem more likely.
You are correct. Watching the videos does result in one considering the idea the AA plane was targeted. As you note, you do not know if that is the case, but skepticism is aroused.
Well, if one is extremely depressed, angry and full of hate, it could make sense. Was this woman trans? If so, we could add a mix of drugs to the list. And why have there been so many recent transgender killings? I’m just trying to connect dots, I’m not convicting anyone.
What are you even talking about? Holy crap, you people come up with some screwed up thoughts. You're not connecting anything. Might want to try to connect some brain cells and think a bit more rationally.
Relax, dude. We're just spitballing here. You act as though absolutely nothing hinky has gone on in this country for the last 4 years. You might want to check in with reality.
Well, coming up with idiotic conspiracy theories based on other conspiracy theories doesn't help anything. Why do I need to check in with reality? I am being realistic. "Spitballing" like that is the "hinky" part.
Yeah, it looked like the helicopter flew directly into the plane, I mean, aimed at it and burned rubber, so to speak. And being above required altitude by 200 feet makes no sense.
200 feet higher than it should have been and at the same time dropping several hundred feet extremely fast and then maintaining the same altitude as the commercial plane. What in the world?
I would like to know how the other two officers died. Exactly was it crash related or not. 500 hrs as a pilot is not an insignificant amount. I have my private pilots license and I’m aware of how it works in a cockpit. There should have been six eyes, two sets of hands and feet on the controls…
If you want to fly for the airlines you will need an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) license, which requires a minimum of 1500 hours of flight time. 500 hours may seem like alot to people unfamiliar with that field, but really 500 is barely anything, especially for that airspace.
In a complex aircraft at night in complex airspace, 500 hours is borderline rookie status. And the most important factor is how many hours did she have in the past 30, 60, 90 days, even in the past week. You have to remain sharp as a pilot of a complex aircraft, especially in that kind of airspace. If you have 500 hours and are dispatched in that airspace at night in a complex aircraft, you better have had 100 of those 500 hours in the past month. I live next to a naval air station that is base for a carrier air wing. The pilots are flying every day, all day long. This wasn’t night carrier landing level flying, but my point stands
A minimum of 1,500 hours flight time is required for an ATP license in order to fly a commercial plane. 500 hours may be a lot for a private pilot, but falls way short for the big boys and girls.
My first thought, as I read the saccharine article in the Sun revealing her identity and her work as a "White House aide" for the Biden admin, was that 500 hours is just as likely an exaggeration as not. The Bidens and everyone associated with them lies with abandon.
Yes! What's missing is why didn’t the AA pilots see the Blackhawk helicopter on their radar?
Did the Blackhawk helicopter have their transponder turned off?
That would explain why neither the flight controllers and the AA pilots COULD NOT see the Blackhawk helicopter until they saw each other seconds before collision.
Lastly, was there a person of interest on the AA plane that may have been targeted, and that would explain why the Blackhawk helicopter could have been programmed to collide with the AA plane.
The Tower saw the Helo. They let them know they needed to take evasive action. So the above does not comport with the facts. The AA flight was not on the same frequency, and they were at an altitude where the crash alert is turned off. It was clear the Helo was in error. The question, which I presume you are asking, is was it pure error or more than an error.
I don't understand re AA was on a different frequency. It still sounds like the AA plane couldn't see how close the Blackhawk was. Don't pilots have radar that shows nearby planes and do military helicopters show up on their radar? Do Blackhawks have transponders?
Because that's what occupants of aircraft do when they slam into the side of another aircraft, and everyone else dies. They VERY likely died from the mid-air collision. What's your conspiracy theory?
You are certainly testy about this Ben. That Helicopter flew directly into another plane one descending on a flight path to land in contact with the tower to land. The questionable aircraft was the helicopter. With three sets of eyes, how does that happen. Are you a pilot or did you just sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
I never said the helicopter wasn't questionable. It's extremely easy to not see an aircraft on a converging course at night over a virtual sea of city lights, especially if the departing traffic was called out for them, and they saw it, and weren't necessarily looking for the converging traffic at the same altitude. If the helicopter had been at their required altitude, 200 MSL and below, they'd likely have spotted the CRJ because they'd have been looking more upward. But at the same time, they wouldn't have collided with the airplane, because they'd have been lower, also (the whole point of the intended vertical separation). But yes, it's very easy to not see a converging aircraft.
And by the way, YOU asked how we know that they died from the collision... not testy at all. Just putting silly theories to rest if at all possible.
Hi geraldsd, what this plane crash did do was stop RFK nomination hearings being telecast on CNN/MSNBC on Thursday. On Wed, CNN had shown the hearings live. The next day this RFK contentious hearings got shoved to the backburner, only short sound bites showing Elizabeth warren yelling at RFk and also Bernie Sanders.
Only cspan on cable TV was showing it, not everyone has access or knows about it.
So, you're a private pilot so you think military pilots are both on the controls at the same time? That's not at all how it works. And 500 hours isn't really a lot of time.
Explains why they withheld the identity, to give them time to fabricate their story, and perhaps delete many incriminating files which may show this was a fundamentally DEI driven pilot who acquired this high profile exceedingly demanding role full of high risk, who most likely took a spot over someone(s) which were more qualified by merit and ability. Time will tell the story. We should fully expect and demand all answers to all questions. President Trump has made clear DEI will no longer have a place in the military. If there is even of scent of DEI on this, hell should break loose. Lets not lose focus: 67 innocent people suffered a horrible preventable demise. One second they were excited about landing at their destination, and the next they were ripped open from behind by helicopter blades, exploding pieces, and plunged into the icy waters in a brief matter of seconds. Whoever did not suffer injury and death from crash, drowned strapped to their seats in reasonably shallow water, without any survivors. Imagine the anguish and grief their loved ones are experiencing now. May they find solace and peace in their beliefs and faith.
This just makes me sick! The causes of these tragedies are almost always multifactorial in terms of errors. In this case it seems like there are enough errors for multiple tragedies. But my number one question is: WHY THE HELL ARE THESE MILITARY CHOPPERS FLYING ALL OVER DC AIRSPACE FOR THE BENEFIT OF VIPs?!! Enough of this bullshit!! GET THOSE THINGS OUT OF THAT AIRSPACE and let the VIPs take a damn ground service!!! THIS IS INSANE!!
It was supposedly training for continuity of government. I.E., to get the president, VP, speaker of the house and other VIPs out to Raven Rock if there is a nuke coming in.
One could safely mention DEI without knowing anything about the particular incident. Trump supporter Darren Beatty's Revolver News had an article a year ago on the escalating number of "near misses" (i.e. near collisions) at U.S. airports. Even lamestream sources admit that air traffic control has been understaffed for a decade or more. But it will be interesting to learn if White House social duties limited Lobach's flight hours.
Remember also, to keep in mind that piolets like needed medical professional were mandated to take the jab. This is a Known concern to travelers and the Airplane Employees. So far , this did not become the disaster they thought was going to commence and add to all the other covid fatalities and injuries.
Basic airline pilots need an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) license, which requires a minimum of 1500 hours of flight time. She had barely 500, she was the least qualified person in that sky and for what reason? DEI doesn't seem too far off from the real answer here. She and whoever ordered her there are responsible for the lives of all those people.
Her family said she had 450 hours in the cockpit. Also the tower understaffed due to DEI recruitment shortages. helicopters regularly crossing the flight landing path is a recipe for disaster. RIP. Glad Trump is honest enough to speak out loud and order the corrective action.
Seems like selling stuff for millions would be payment enough. Medal of Freedom for being an uber rich fashion designer? I'll bet he espouses the democrat viewpoint... because there are plenty of people who donate to great causes that don't get that medal from uncle joe, because they're not rabid democrats.
In a consumer culture like ours, Lauren’s contribution to the “American fashion culture” plus his rags to riches
astronomical sales volume plays into our narrative. Add in the mucho dollars over the years to politicians and the Zionist cause gets ya a medal.
He duly earned and paid for the recognition. (He claims his older brother was harassed in military over his last name and at 16 he was bullied in school so they both changed their last name at the same time. Just imagine what names their peers came up with a last name like that at a time when making fun and discrimination against being Jewish was at an all time high and socially acceptable.)
The entire tragic story seems to be missing some relevant details. Something went very very wrong that night and so many people needlessly died. Why weren't there 4 people on that flight? It seems you would want 1 person without night vision goggles who could see very well all the way around. And the choice of the location where they were flying makes absolutely no sense to me. Why on earth near such a busy airport and at night nonetheless. Each of the 3 pilots sounds like very capable likable people. But something went horribly wrong. I do find Myself wondering if somehow the controls were taken Over remotely somehow by a nefarious actor. The video footage is horrifying.
Just to clarify a point for the sake of discussion, there were only two pilots aboard the Blackhawk; the third individual (a staff sergeant) was the crew chief.
To fly a helicopter in the US Army, one must be either a warrant officer or a commissioned officer. The crew chief was an NCO, or a "non-commissioned" officer.
Those details make a lot of us wonder if the helicopter was taken over remotely, and a passenger on the helicopter or the plane was the target of a hit.
More likely the passenger was on the helicopter, since it was identified as PAT25, or priority air transport. It was marked as carrying a VIP.
No, they can't. And for you to think that pilots would get into an aircraft that they know they wouldn't have 100% control of tells me that phd crap is a lie. You really think people are that stupid? It takes some serious stupidity to believe what you just said. Think a bit... for once.
A lot of us are wondering if the helo was taken over remotely.
What would make most sense to me is that there was one more VIPs on the helicopter - it's callsign was PAT25, or priority air transport 25. That means it was carrying VIPs. So they put disposable or annoying people to pilot the craft along with the VIPs they want to get rid of, then take over the helicopter when desired.
It's possible the whole thing was a hit on someone on the plane. It's also possible it really was an accident.
What "first hand" evidence to you have that there wasn't? They can make ANY airplane remote controlled. I'd be willing to bet that there are NO UAV flights allowed in the DC class B airspace. Or any class B airspace, for that matter. Why do you require "first hand" evidence from me, but you can come up with any crazy theory you want?
Where do you people come up with these ideas? It's like people are perfect, no one ever makes a mistake, so if something bad happens, it has to be on purpose? That's just insane...
Instead of hurling insults at others commenting with views you don’t agree with, why don’t you just leave. You seem like a very angry person in need of therapy.
Because people throwing out silly ideas like that need to be told they're wrong. I'm not angry, by the way. Just tired of hearing stuff like that, that makes zero sense at all.
Receptionist to Udall - How do you write women so well?
Udall - I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.
If you are given a command just because you are a woman and people do not hold you accountable you are going to break the rules because there's, usually, no consequences for you. Remember the idiotic flying of the woman in "Starship Troopers" that almost got everyone killed again and again? That is what that flight path around the Potomac looked like to me, someone playing chicken with real people's lives because she could ....... and men couldn't.
My son works as a lorry driver and the company wants more women drivers because the over promoted women managers want more so they hired one a few months back who managed to wreck three expensive lorries in a one week period but she still got a rave review from her woman manager. Any man wrecking one lorry is fired. That is what I see here.
My cousin, a woman, has been a lorry driver for 30 years and has never had an accident but she started at a time when women were EXPECTED to be as competent as men ...... And so she is.
I agree. I think right now the DEI angle is a distraction from many, many, other factors that need to be investigated. And for the record, I am not in favor of DEI hiring policies.
I learned to fly in 1968. My flight instructor taught me the Airman's trinity: Aviate, Navigate and Communicate: IN THAT ORDER! Having worked with technology all my life I have learned one thing: TECHNOLOGY CAN'T PREVENT HUMAN ERROR, or to put it a little more indelicately, technology can't fix stupid. It is clear to me that the pilot of the UH-60 was at fault in the recent tragedy.
Air Traffic Control is the Communicate part and often cannot be relied upon to overcome human error in the cockpit. In fact, I've had incidents where an Air Traffic Controller told me to do something, but it didn't make sense based on where my airplane was in the flight pattern/envelope, so I had to question the ATC's order. I have always endeavored to obey their commands but I'm still the pilot in command of my aircraft and if I think their command is wrong for my situation at that moment, it's my responsibility to question their judgement. Reduced ATC staffing wasn't the issue but certainly could be in the future. And Air Traffic Controllers are just as prone to human error as are pilots. Sometimes too much technology can be confusing.
Technology in the cockpit cannot be relied upon to overcome a human error. The traffic alert and collision avoidance system (TCAS) system stops sending warnings and only sends Resolution Advisories (RA) when the aircraft goes below 1,000 feet. And a quote from "Introduction to TCAS II version 7": ...it is well understood that part of the remaining risk is that TCAS may induce midair collisions: "In particular, it is dependent on the accuracy of the threat aircraft's reported altitude and on the expectation that the threat aircraft will not make an abrupt maneuver that defeats the TCAS Resolution Advisory (RA). The safety study also shows that TCAS II will induce some critical near midair collisions...". It's not clear if the UH-60 involved was equipped with TCAS but I know that many military tactical aircraft aren't equipped with TCAS due to past DOD budget reductions.
PILOT ERROR BY THE ARMY PILOTS WAS THE CAUSE
It is being reported that the pilots of the UH-60 were wearing Night Vision Goggles - NVG's. If both the Army pilots were wearing Night Vision Goggles, then their collective field of vision was reduced. If it was a training flight as we are being told, then why was the Instructor Pilot (IP) wearing the NVG's? The IP SHOULD NOT have been wearing NVG's so that he could maintain complete situational awareness and ensure that the student was "AVIATING AND NAVIGATING" safely. You don't need NVG's to fly at night. The pilots of the CRJ weren't wearing NVG's! I can understand the need to wear NVG's in training, but NOT when you're aviating and navigating through one of the busiest airspaces in America. I hope Sec Def Hegseth's investigation will result in changes to the Army's training.
I can see some parallels between the helicopter tragedy, and the sinking of our NZ Navy ship recently. Both displayed catastrophic operational failure during a routine activity, caused by unexplainable errors by person in command, and both times were women. The Lesbian commander of our navy ship was also relatively inexperienced in her role.
I lived in Fiji for a few years. So after arriving in 2018, I went to the wharf of the capital to collect my car that I had purchased in Australia and had shipped over. I had to wait by my car for about 20 minutes or so, and right in front of me was a NZ frigate or other smaller naval vessel. It was late afternoon, so sailors were emerging from the ship to walk to town (a very seedy place, minutes away on foot) and there was a very large proportion of butch women, many with an abundance of tattoos. I remember being amused by the scene and thinking it was a product of the woke Ardern regime. BTW, when she visited, the roads were closed whenever she went anywhere, which created mayhem. Not so when the Aussie PM, ScoMo, had been there a year or so earlier.
Capt. Lobach's family has wiped out all her social media connections AND those of other family members. which apparently had any reference to her. All this before agreeing to share her identity with the public. Interesting.
Not sure why anyone (especially one’s family would erase her social media)….unless you thought it would be incriminating?
Consider she had a "partner," and she worked with or for the press secretary, who also has a "partner," and she enjoyed "Pride" events. Some families aren't comfortable with the world knowing this and much more, likely, on her social media.
And she was a certified Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention (SHARP) Victim Advocate. It's typical DEI BS: "an ambassador of this/that," "a champion in whatever BS" Careerists go for such titles to increase their "visibility."
Shouldn’t the family have more “pride”? At least a month’s worth?
Yeah. They probably just opted out of the endless spectacle of media vultures trying to tear the meat off her bones.
Well. They just lost their child and they are trying to protect her reputation. So while we look at what happened , to them it is heartbreaking and oersonal .
If she’s as well rounded (and outstanding) as described then why erase
Because the public can be vicious - because she could be responsible . Even good pilots screw up - and why did the army have them out there at night ? It is on their shoulders ultimately . Probably a left leaning family - and they don’t trust the administration and MAga.
Umm, don't the other soldiers family's deserve that? How about all soldiers families, always, forevermore, get to delay names of their dead into l they get to sanitize the deceased's social media...because the public can be vicious, and feelings and stuff?
No special dispensation. That's what got her killed in the first place, special dispensation above other, more qualified soldiers. And took down her crew and a passenger jet to boot. If there was nothing embarrassing, like say, a hammer and sickle flag, Antifa flag, rainbow flag, and/or Trump hate political rants then they wouldn't have needed the time to scrub it. The cover up never works as imagined. It just draws more attention to what they're hiding. And the minor scandal becomes a big one.
They can do what they want . Her social media account doesn’t belong to the government . I’m not sure I understand.
Agree about the public. But the real question (as you pointed out) was why do training at night in congested airspace and why was the helicopter at 2x its intended altitude?
The pilot was likely apolitical!
Why did the Army have her out there at night ????
She was the Squadron XO . There are currency requirements. Most likely it was scheduled in haste because she had deferred it while she participating in Biden farewell events and other activities.
As to the second half of the question. Why are they out there at night? Their squadron is charged with evacuating political leaders in an emergency. That means 24/7.
Actually at night it's usually far easier to ID traffic with landing lights on than it is in the day but more difficult to estimate range.
As a pilot when I acknowledge that I have traffic in sight to me it represents a contract with the controller that I will see and avoid. If I lose sight I let the controller know and ask for a new pointout.
In a real emergency (like 9/11) civilian air traffic into Reagan would likely be restricted.
Pretty sure she was not PIC and was under instruction, but why only one crewchief/loadmaster in that airspace, why no TCAS alerts at least on the CRJ?
Watch this video by Richie from Boston:
https://odysee.com/@richiefromboston:9/Bandicam-2025-02-01-16-34-26-629:7
sounds like a crackpot to me.
He makes a big deal about a house being faded out in Google Earth street view but if he just looked at it in direct vertical view it is entirely visible-- in Google Earth. It has even much higher resolution viewed from "Maps" on any Apple computer. Very nice image of that house. . . then, he starts whining how an F35 falls out of the sky in midair and Elon Musk "hates" them because they are not quite invisible. Who cares? This is BS.
They were out flying that night because she needed a proficiency checkride. The mission of the unit is to provide both regular and emergency transportation of top administration officials. Thus. they need to be able to fly this difficult route night and day.
It is absolutely a heartbreaking that they lost their child. They never would’ve lost their child if somebody hadn’t been doing the extraordinarily stupid thing of putting her in a situation where the only thing she could do was fail and do that catastrophically. The stupidity of the army prior to January 20 is out an end. She never should’ve been flying that helicopter and if training on it should not have been training on it on a runway at Reagan airport.
My guess is that she had deferred her checkride while she was participating in many events during the final days of the Biden presidency.
It was not a training flight but rather a checkride. She's the XO of the unit so chances are she scheduled it , potentially because she would lose her currency without the checkride.
What we also know is that she spent a lot of time in the Biden White House during the final days.
We don't know what was on those pages , tired , pressured to complete proficiency flight before the end o the month ??????
My guess is that they were instructed by the former White House folks that it was essential to take down the materials .
She's pretty light on flight time for the years that she has been in the service. There may also have been some comments that could raise questions.
Exactly - more deep state bullsh$t - always conceal, obfuscate, deflect and ignore when dealing with the citizenry.
Among other things, maybe she didn't mind throwing shade at Trump.
A Trump hater ploughing into a plane isn't going to help family PR.
Typical and predictable behavior which guilty always engage in. This explains why they witheld her identity. they know they are wrong. so they want to make like she is something she was not. Perhaps to save themselves embarressment and/or harassement or more.
I would certainly expect that they would want to protect themselves from harassment, guilty or not.
"behavior which guilty always engage in" and "they know they are wrong" - you are talking about a family that is now enduring the worst possible nightmare and you know NOTHING about them so why don't you and the other know-it-alls on here just give it a rest already
Seems fair game to me given the tragedy of 67 lives snuffed out in a matter of seconds when the pilot of that helicopter ran into the back of that plane. It was landing, on final approach, in VFR conditions (they were 100% responsible to maintain separation). This never should have happened. Yet it did. I empathize with all those who lost loved ones. Cannot change it now. Answers and accountability are 100% required.
You were denigrating the family and that is completely uncalled for.
In these times of forced DEI, Neo-Marxist, critical race theory indoctrination which started under Obama and was on steroids during Biden, this country was damaged to the core with lies, misrepresentation, propaganda, brainwashing, censorship, etc. all in the cause of forwarding the Leftist agenda for Democrats to win and hold power by any means necessary. It has been a bubble of ideological nonsense that did inestimable harm to people in this country, which favored classes and masses based on race and gender affirmations and anti-American sentiments the likes of which this country has never seen before, and I hope never sees again. The reports that have surfaced about the 28 yr old female pilot who ran into that plane on final approach is steeped in ideology, gender affirmation, and much of the nonsense which has prevailed under Biden and Obama. We know for certain that thousands of very qualified white people were refused jobs because quotas for DEI took priority, and many took positions for which they were less qualified, all because the game was rigged. This is what the majority of people in this country realize and spoke their minds with their mandate election vote that put President Trump back in the White House. In less than three weeks in office, he has dismantled and declared null and void much of these DEI, racists and leftist ideologies that have nearly crippled the country. I applaud that, as does a majority of voters. In my own defense, I was not denigrating a family by my remarks, rather I was calling out their actions to cover up their loved one's FB and social media pages and withholding her identity for the public, who has a right to know the truth of this horrible tragedy. We will see how the investigation unfolds. As a former FAA qualified Air Traffic controller, local and tower supervisor, radar GCA, etc. I know a bit of how air Traffic works. 'Safe expeditious flow of traffic' has always been the priority. In this recent (IMO) avoidable crash, neither safety or expeditious flow of traffic was conducted as required. I fully anticipate the findings will reveal what went wrong.
Excellent post and ALL here surely appreciate you listing your background; sure speaks to your credibility.
By the way, question:
Would you agree that the main, immediate component of this crash was the fact the helo Failed to be at correct altitude, and secondly, that the tower controller failed to Follow him and demand he turn as the planes converged?
It’s evidence of consciousness of guilt. While we can sympathize with them for the loss of a family member, dozens of other people lost their lives bc of this unqualified DEI pilot, and my sympathy is primarily with THEIR families. The lesbian DEI hire who caused this crash, and her superiors who put her in a position to murder so many others, are the responsible parties here, and if her family hides the truth about it, then no one should be protecting them, either.
https://redstate.com/wardclark/2025/02/04/ntsb-army-chopper-in-dreadful-dc-crash-flying-too-high-n2185216
Latest NTSB report confirms Helicopter was flying above it's hard limit of 200 feet and caused the horrible crash that killed 67, plus the 3 on board Army chopper.
We know she killed a plane load of innocents and must have known her training wasn't up to the job she attempted to do.
No we don't know either of those speculations, but you are definitely showing why the family didn't want her name out there.
Whether or not they “want” her name and history known is irrelevant-she caused an accident that killed dozens of people, so let’s just be real clear here, it’s a facts over feelings sitch. We don’t let drunk drivers off the hook bc everyone knowing their personal history would cause the family extra grief, either.
My guess is that the final report will show concern for the operation of the helo and will, as they are prone to do , look carefully at events prior to her commencement of the flight as pilot in command. aka PIC.
As XO and with deep ties to the political side there may have been some rules or good judgement waived.
One of the questions will be if this was jammed in get it done before the end of the month for currency or flight pay reasons.
The qualified investigators will investigate. In the meantime, abstain from comment.
We will need to be vigilant that it is done accurately. There's not only the political issues but the chain of command within the military.
Those familiar with Karla Hultgren's fatal accident know that there was a lot left out of the accident report.
I would do the same. Isn’t it obvious…to maintain some semblance of privacy.
Huh? It is no longer a matter of privacy when you cause the deaths of over 60 souls. Nope.
How did they get her passwords?
You can request access from the company after someone's demise
I wonder how long that typically takes compared to this situation.
Not long when it comes from very high level political and military
Good point. Normally you would need a death certificate and that takes a medical examiner
The family is not responsible for the deaths. I think, even if it turns out that the disaster was caused by a mechanical malfunction or a hacked computer system, people will just say that that information is a coverup because the collision must have been caused by the fact that the pilot was a woman. I’m not making excuses. I just want the full truth without any sugar coating. I am completely opposed to DEI and I question the wisdom of women serving in combat roles. I think there may be certain positions in the military where women can serve very well.
Therefore, it is important NOT to create the appearance of a cover-up by withholding the name while scrubbing the social media. I do not believe people will automatically say that the problem had to do with her being a woman. Women do perform as pilots every day. The fear that has been raised is that her social media MAY have included comments that showed hostility and untoward motive. That hostility, if present, MAY have come out of a DEI viewpoint. Best to be totally transparent to keep conjecture at bay.
Too late for that - the censors are hard at work to “protect democracy”.
I agree with your sentiments expressed here & certainly don't like women in combat roles losing life & limb. The question here was not so much her being a woman, but being an insufficiently experienced one. She obviously would know she was flying towards an active airport, as she was based there. Her uniform photo makes her an obvious lesbian & they tend to be aggressive.
You think she caused it with her social media posts?
Of course not but her social media posts would have documented all the stuff she was doing with the Biden gang . Flying is not just showing up to fly but also maintaining currency , focus and physical condition. including rest.
Like it or not.....when one is in the military, they are 'OWNED'.
OWNED by TAX-PAYERS.
So, one does NOT get 'privacy'!
They are NOT a 'Private Citizen'.
Check out the "non interruptible autopilot by Honeywell" - which was created with 9/11 - so the "swamp" could take over any plane or helicopter remotely, and the pilot could not do anything . . . !
They sold this insanity as a means of "security" against terrorism!
But the real terrorism comes from within.
So consider this to be an insane freak show from the "swamp" to intimidate President Trump . . . !
https://www.corbettreport.com/cache/BUAP_May-2014_Folder3.pdf
Yes; I know. 'Remote control' has been around for quite a while now.
My father was a career officer in the army. You are absolutely correct. That is something I was taught from early childhood.
Yes; my Uncle served in the Army, in the 1960's......stationed in Germany.
Back then, it was easy to manipulate people to join the military, to 'Protect America' and/or 'Fight for America's Freedom'. Both statements are a bunch of HORSESHIT, as we all SHOULD know, by now.
In the age of the internet.....people SHOULD know by now, that the military FIGHTS FOR THE GLOBALISTS/BANKSTERS. And NO AMERICAN should be a part of that military!
I think you mean owned by the Government, Dawnie. I'm an Official U.S. Government Taxpayer and I don't own anybody.
'We, The People' ARE (supposed to be) the Govt.
We 'own' Our PUBLIC SERVANTS.
(and I don't mean in the literal, as in a SLAVE, sense; obviously)
We, The People OWN......
Parks
Beaches
Police Depts
Fire Depts
Library's
Town/City Halls
All Town/City vehicles......
ANYTHING Tax-payers pay for....WE OWN.
All true until top politicians step into the picture....
I disagree. She is a human being first. She should be allowed a personal life.
My question though is did she know something, was she a target? Was her job allowing her to see certain meetings between Biden and others? Perhaps she was going to be used to help build a case against someone. (Just a wild thought not sure that would be possible, would the deep state be trying to take out its own?)
Unless she was determined to commit suicide, kill her squadron mate and a planeload of people that's simply not plausible.
Matters not that you 'disagree'.
The FACTS don't care that you disagree.
Tell that to the hundreds of grieving family members and see if it helps.
Lookout - I’m not following? All I said was that I would also delete social media accounts of my deceased loved one…?
You would not have the ability to do it that quickly. It had to have come from the Biden insiders who still have a lot of connections although they are on the streets. Remember the 50+ intelligence folks who signed the letter stating that the Biden laptop was likely Russian , most all of them knew it was real and the FBI had in their possession both the original and confirmation from Apple via Hunter's iCloud .
Had the FBI top brass been honest they would have allowed the Grand Jury investigation of Joe and Hunter's bank accounts to have proceeded prior to the 2020 election. The feds had been receiving SAR( suspicious activity reports) long before the election. FBI agents who were to pursue the case were called off and if they protested they were fired.
That is an interesting thought.
Steve D - my comment is not even remotely related to Hunter Biden’s laptop. Also, my question was directed to Lookout; not you.
The question had to do with the trustworthiness of senior govt officials and we know there have been gross deceptions, often with the knowledge of the press.
They wouldn’t release her name for days while they erased her information to cover up and hide that she was only hired for DEI because she was a lesbian. She was hired on her sexual preference, not on merit. The families of her fellow soldiers and the 67 people on the plane might SUE her estate, as well as the government for letting an unqualified pilot kill all these people.
Possibly in anticipation of all the hate coming their way?
What a Fucking Shit Show this is going to be. And as usual the poor passengers get relegated to the Side story.
That is wrong! They should be front and center
So much for Trump's TRANSPARENT Administration!!
TRAITOR Trump......LIAR IN CHIEF!
Grasping at anything just to blame Trump? Come on now!
We know that when they saw the Trump gang arrive that camala loot was dead.
What did he have to do with it? One week in office and the parents didn’t give permission to release her name ( as the law demands)
Where does it say the parents have to release the name of an adult military member ?
Why don't you KNOW HOW THINGS WORK???
It is NOT up to the FAMILY!
PERIOD!
THEE ONLY consideration, that is given to the family, is that they are notified of a death, before the public. The SECOND that the family IS......NAMES ARE RELEASED.
What does TRAITOR Trump have to do with this?
He did NOT RELEASE THE NAME in a TIMELY manner; like the other 2 names that were released. Which tells all of us......they're HIDING something.
And when something is BEING HIDDEN......it is the OPPOSITE of TRANSPARENT!
Understand??
It also means that TRAITOR Trump is now a CO-CONSPIRATOR to what IS being HIDDEN. Trump SAYS that his Admin is TRANSPARENT?.....I say that he IS A LIAR!
You might need something for that TDS you have . I think you have a bad case of it . Get better .
I do not have a DELUSIONAL Mind. Therefore, I cannot have TDS.
There are TWO groups that have TDS........
LibTards.......
They hate Trump for FAKE, MADE-UP reasons; or for NO reason at all.
The Trump Cult......
Like the LibTards, the Trump Cult live in a DELUSIONAL BUBBLE; they BELIEVE (as opposed to THINK!), that Trump is their SAVIOR; that he is 'on their side' and will 'fix everything'. And Trump can do no wrong!
BOTH groups are TDS DELUSIONAL! (aka Mentally Ill)
I, on the other hand, have PLENTY of REAL, ACTUAL reasons to hate that POS!
Well I have a savior and it’s not Trump . But he is my president . That level of hatred you have there isn’t good for the soul - just a friendly observation .
From what I read: the family is notified and then they must give permission for the name to be released. It doesn’t happen automatically. Right away.
Perhaps it’s so they can notify other family members. I don’t know why.
Perhaps you can find those regulations and read them.
So we are to believe that you have insider information that told you it was President Trump that delayed the release of the pilots name?
Dawnie Trump was first to raise suspicions on a Truth Social post, for which he got blasted by people like you.
'People like me'?????
LEARN how PsyOps work!
Clearly, you do not know the difference between 'LIP SERVICE' (talking) and DOING.
LIP SERVICE EXAMPLE: 'Congress' has a bazillion 'hearings', 'inquiries', ect......but HOW MANY of those CRIMINALS, that these 'hearings', and whatnot, that have gone to 'testify'......HOW MANY OF THOSE CRIMINALS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED/GONE TO PRISON.......ZERO!!
I can think of one who has appeared, MANY times, and is STILL WALKING FREE.......FAUCI! So, what we get is LIP SERVICE. ZERO ACTION (DOING).
And the ZOMBIES think that this is just fine!
YEAR after YEAR......DECADE after DECADE.......nothing but LIP SERVICE!
THIS, TOO......you will be fed LIP SERVICE (LIES), the dumbed-down public will BELIEVE it, because they are MENTALLY STUNTED......and it will be 'Business as Usual'!
You're being CONNED!
WAKE UP!
The concept that Trump controlled the released the two names is a joke. It's the dying act of the Bidens and the opening act of the democRAT underground.
The next 1,400 days are not going to be fun for the RATS
There are still A LOT of swamp people in DC and the military...Give him time to flush the toilet. Right now he's busy getting rid of all the murders and rapists that the dems invited in.
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I guess you voted for Harris . .and your
TDS so deep that blaming Trump is your first thought
Perhaps you ought to consider NOK
which is always paramount whenever there is some disaster involving a member
of our armed forces.
T D S …a serious mental disorder
Wtf ?? Are you that demented to think he has anything to do with A BIDEN APPOINTEE?!!??
Trump is now POTUS.....the buck stops with HIM!
Your comment makes zero sense.
You must have really disliked Biden or Obama if you don't like liars.
PedoJoe, Barry Davis (aka 'Obama'), BOTH Bush's, Clinton......and so on.....
they're ALL pieces of shit!
I voted for Dr. Shiva, this past SELECTION.
I wish Dr. Ron Paul wasn't so 'old'.....so that he could run, again; HUGE Ron Paul 'fan'!
'DemonRats' & 'RepubTards'......it's an ILLUSION!
They're the UNIPARTY!
Correction: You Mean Biden's Full Secrecy Regime Of Marxism.
Last I checked......PedoJoe is long gone!!
It's is TRAITOR Trump who is KEEPING SECRETS, now! ;)
How is President Trump a "TRAITOR"?
It's a long list.
But #1 on that list........
He is a PUPPET of the Khazarian State (aka 'Israel')/Khazarian BANKSTERS (aka Federal Reserve).
I don't even have to populate the rest of the list; THAT ^ ^ ^ right there is all one needs. Proof positive that he HATES America/Americans!
Not surprised.
I don’t blame them for that. They don’t need to read the comments they would see while grieving the loss of her. What a terrible feeling of guilt they may be experiencing.
The public is increasingly cruel, a trend that started some time ago and has gotten exponentially worse. I doubt scrubbing her social media was anything more than trying to protect her memory and her friends/family from trolls.
As the article notes she was very active in the Biden WH . There are a whole lot of other factors that are likely to have played a part and changing any one of them would probably have changed the outcome.
I think the wiping of the internet had a lot to do with her involvement with the Biden WH and perhaps some other issues.
Well gee, clearly her time as a Buy-Dem WH social aide with all her social skills was a big qualifying factor for piloting Blackhawks in the dark at a hugely busy airport with short runways.🙄 DEI anyone?
Having watched the video several times, it looks like a direct attack. Not saying it was, just looks that way. Also dropping several hundred feet in an instant stopping at the same level as the commercial plane then flying at that altitude directly toward the plane makes no sense.
Interesting, former Navy Seal, Michael Jaco who has flown countless combat missions says if looked the same. Huge red flags surrounding this incident.
https://rumble.com/v6f48hv-was-it-a-false-flag-airline-jet-and-military-helo-fiery-crash-into-the-free.html
Wow! So sad.
It makes sense if….the helicopter was remotely controlled.
There are a lot of us wondering if the helicopter was taken over remotely. Considering that the helo's ID was PAT25, which stands for Priority Air Transport 25, it sure seems like it was carrying a VIP.
I think the most likely explanation is that it was carrying at least one VIP that the CIA wanted killed, and they put in inexperienced and DEI crew to make an accident seem more likely.
You are correct. Watching the videos does result in one considering the idea the AA plane was targeted. As you note, you do not know if that is the case, but skepticism is aroused.
An intentional ‘direct attack’ is what makes absolutely no sense.
Well, if one is extremely depressed, angry and full of hate, it could make sense. Was this woman trans? If so, we could add a mix of drugs to the list. And why have there been so many recent transgender killings? I’m just trying to connect dots, I’m not convicting anyone.
What are you even talking about? Holy crap, you people come up with some screwed up thoughts. You're not connecting anything. Might want to try to connect some brain cells and think a bit more rationally.
Relax, dude. We're just spitballing here. You act as though absolutely nothing hinky has gone on in this country for the last 4 years. You might want to check in with reality.
Well, coming up with idiotic conspiracy theories based on other conspiracy theories doesn't help anything. Why do I need to check in with reality? I am being realistic. "Spitballing" like that is the "hinky" part.
The woman was not trans.
Yeah, it looked like the helicopter flew directly into the plane, I mean, aimed at it and burned rubber, so to speak. And being above required altitude by 200 feet makes no sense.
200 feet higher than it should have been and at the same time dropping several hundred feet extremely fast and then maintaining the same altitude as the commercial plane. What in the world?
I’m glad to know the facts. I saw a report out of Germany that claimed this. Why I used the word “if”.
Ad hominem attacks don’t change facts.
I would like to know how the other two officers died. Exactly was it crash related or not. 500 hrs as a pilot is not an insignificant amount. I have my private pilots license and I’m aware of how it works in a cockpit. There should have been six eyes, two sets of hands and feet on the controls…
If you want to fly for the airlines you will need an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) license, which requires a minimum of 1500 hours of flight time. 500 hours may seem like alot to people unfamiliar with that field, but really 500 is barely anything, especially for that airspace.
Rookie status with only 450 hours!
500 hrs is not rookie status. So you are a pilot? What do you fly? What ratings do you have? Please explain…
In a complex aircraft at night in complex airspace, 500 hours is borderline rookie status. And the most important factor is how many hours did she have in the past 30, 60, 90 days, even in the past week. You have to remain sharp as a pilot of a complex aircraft, especially in that kind of airspace. If you have 500 hours and are dispatched in that airspace at night in a complex aircraft, you better have had 100 of those 500 hours in the past month. I live next to a naval air station that is base for a carrier air wing. The pilots are flying every day, all day long. This wasn’t night carrier landing level flying, but my point stands
A minimum of 1,500 hours flight time is required for an ATP license in order to fly a commercial plane. 500 hours may be a lot for a private pilot, but falls way short for the big boys and girls.
depends on what the 500 hours entailed
My first thought, as I read the saccharine article in the Sun revealing her identity and her work as a "White House aide" for the Biden admin, was that 500 hours is just as likely an exaggeration as not. The Bidens and everyone associated with them lies with abandon.
You were correct about the "exageration"-- pilot had 450 hours.
Yes! What's missing is why didn’t the AA pilots see the Blackhawk helicopter on their radar?
Did the Blackhawk helicopter have their transponder turned off?
That would explain why neither the flight controllers and the AA pilots COULD NOT see the Blackhawk helicopter until they saw each other seconds before collision.
Lastly, was there a person of interest on the AA plane that may have been targeted, and that would explain why the Blackhawk helicopter could have been programmed to collide with the AA plane.
The Tower saw the Helo. They let them know they needed to take evasive action. So the above does not comport with the facts. The AA flight was not on the same frequency, and they were at an altitude where the crash alert is turned off. It was clear the Helo was in error. The question, which I presume you are asking, is was it pure error or more than an error.
Our Mission in LIFE is to LOIVE and SEEK the TRUTH ! Keep seeking the TRUTH.
Indeed. And the scrubbing of the social media was a clear sign that those who seek to block the Truth are in play.
Sorry for my ignorance. What's a helo?
I don't understand re AA was on a different frequency. It still sounds like the AA plane couldn't see how close the Blackhawk was. Don't pilots have radar that shows nearby planes and do military helicopters show up on their radar? Do Blackhawks have transponders?
Who was the person of interest?
There is no small number of videos online that show the Blackhawk tracking across the radar screen; its call sign was "PAT 25".
Jeeze... it never ends with you people...
What do you mean, exactly? They died from the collision.
So you know that how?
Because that's what occupants of aircraft do when they slam into the side of another aircraft, and everyone else dies. They VERY likely died from the mid-air collision. What's your conspiracy theory?
You are certainly testy about this Ben. That Helicopter flew directly into another plane one descending on a flight path to land in contact with the tower to land. The questionable aircraft was the helicopter. With three sets of eyes, how does that happen. Are you a pilot or did you just sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
I never said the helicopter wasn't questionable. It's extremely easy to not see an aircraft on a converging course at night over a virtual sea of city lights, especially if the departing traffic was called out for them, and they saw it, and weren't necessarily looking for the converging traffic at the same altitude. If the helicopter had been at their required altitude, 200 MSL and below, they'd likely have spotted the CRJ because they'd have been looking more upward. But at the same time, they wouldn't have collided with the airplane, because they'd have been lower, also (the whole point of the intended vertical separation). But yes, it's very easy to not see a converging aircraft.
And by the way, YOU asked how we know that they died from the collision... not testy at all. Just putting silly theories to rest if at all possible.
Crickets 🦗🦗🦗
So much for your silly pet crickets.
Hi geraldsd, what this plane crash did do was stop RFK nomination hearings being telecast on CNN/MSNBC on Thursday. On Wed, CNN had shown the hearings live. The next day this RFK contentious hearings got shoved to the backburner, only short sound bites showing Elizabeth warren yelling at RFk and also Bernie Sanders.
Only cspan on cable TV was showing it, not everyone has access or knows about it.
No one would be asking anything about this is everything that our government has been up
was as it was presented. The fact is nothing with our government is as presented.
Since her flights were mainly short hops, 500 hrs actually represents a lot of experience in takeoffs and landings.
Yes. Did the other members of the flight crew not know what was going on?
How to lake could they have died in that crash ?
Exactly
So, you're a private pilot so you think military pilots are both on the controls at the same time? That's not at all how it works. And 500 hours isn't really a lot of time.
No I don’t think that if she was left seat right seat was prepared.
Explains why they withheld the identity, to give them time to fabricate their story, and perhaps delete many incriminating files which may show this was a fundamentally DEI driven pilot who acquired this high profile exceedingly demanding role full of high risk, who most likely took a spot over someone(s) which were more qualified by merit and ability. Time will tell the story. We should fully expect and demand all answers to all questions. President Trump has made clear DEI will no longer have a place in the military. If there is even of scent of DEI on this, hell should break loose. Lets not lose focus: 67 innocent people suffered a horrible preventable demise. One second they were excited about landing at their destination, and the next they were ripped open from behind by helicopter blades, exploding pieces, and plunged into the icy waters in a brief matter of seconds. Whoever did not suffer injury and death from crash, drowned strapped to their seats in reasonably shallow water, without any survivors. Imagine the anguish and grief their loved ones are experiencing now. May they find solace and peace in their beliefs and faith.
This just makes me sick! The causes of these tragedies are almost always multifactorial in terms of errors. In this case it seems like there are enough errors for multiple tragedies. But my number one question is: WHY THE HELL ARE THESE MILITARY CHOPPERS FLYING ALL OVER DC AIRSPACE FOR THE BENEFIT OF VIPs?!! Enough of this bullshit!! GET THOSE THINGS OUT OF THAT AIRSPACE and let the VIPs take a damn ground service!!! THIS IS INSANE!!
Military Choppers Have been grounded in that DC area.
Amen. Thats an understatement. If only
It was supposedly training for continuity of government. I.E., to get the president, VP, speaker of the house and other VIPs out to Raven Rock if there is a nuke coming in.
Then wouldn't commercial flights be redirected to less targeted airports?
It sounds as if DJT had all of these details when he railed against DEI in his press briefing.
Everyone in the room was scratching their heads, except those who had the details. (Yet again, he was ahead of the curve.)
One could safely mention DEI without knowing anything about the particular incident. Trump supporter Darren Beatty's Revolver News had an article a year ago on the escalating number of "near misses" (i.e. near collisions) at U.S. airports. Even lamestream sources admit that air traffic control has been understaffed for a decade or more. But it will be interesting to learn if White House social duties limited Lobach's flight hours.
Agreed. But he had been excoriated for rushing to judgement, even as those doing the excoriating didn't have the information he did.
Remember also, to keep in mind that piolets like needed medical professional were mandated to take the jab. This is a Known concern to travelers and the Airplane Employees. So far , this did not become the disaster they thought was going to commence and add to all the other covid fatalities and injuries.
It seems pretty clear in retrospect that he knew there was a lady with only 450 hours at the controls, and shortstaffed air traffic controllers.
DEI helicopter pilot. What could go wrong? Oh damn…
Fucking idiot comment.
Basic airline pilots need an Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) license, which requires a minimum of 1500 hours of flight time. She had barely 500, she was the least qualified person in that sky and for what reason? DEI doesn't seem too far off from the real answer here. She and whoever ordered her there are responsible for the lives of all those people.
Her family said she had 450 hours in the cockpit. Also the tower understaffed due to DEI recruitment shortages. helicopters regularly crossing the flight landing path is a recipe for disaster. RIP. Glad Trump is honest enough to speak out loud and order the corrective action.
Vulgar remark.
Well deserved remark.
Tell it to the victims families, I’m sad to say.
F*cking idiot student pilot.
Yep, very idiotic.
Wait…why would Ralph Lauren be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom?
Clearly, you don't buy any of his ties...
Seems like selling stuff for millions would be payment enough. Medal of Freedom for being an uber rich fashion designer? I'll bet he espouses the democrat viewpoint... because there are plenty of people who donate to great causes that don't get that medal from uncle joe, because they're not rabid democrats.
In a consumer culture like ours, Lauren’s contribution to the “American fashion culture” plus his rags to riches
astronomical sales volume plays into our narrative. Add in the mucho dollars over the years to politicians and the Zionist cause gets ya a medal.
He duly earned and paid for the recognition. (He claims his older brother was harassed in military over his last name and at 16 he was bullied in school so they both changed their last name at the same time. Just imagine what names their peers came up with a last name like that at a time when making fun and discrimination against being Jewish was at an all time high and socially acceptable.)
I suggest you try on one of the man's ties.
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The entire tragic story seems to be missing some relevant details. Something went very very wrong that night and so many people needlessly died. Why weren't there 4 people on that flight? It seems you would want 1 person without night vision goggles who could see very well all the way around. And the choice of the location where they were flying makes absolutely no sense to me. Why on earth near such a busy airport and at night nonetheless. Each of the 3 pilots sounds like very capable likable people. But something went horribly wrong. I do find Myself wondering if somehow the controls were taken Over remotely somehow by a nefarious actor. The video footage is horrifying.
Just to clarify a point for the sake of discussion, there were only two pilots aboard the Blackhawk; the third individual (a staff sergeant) was the crew chief.
To fly a helicopter in the US Army, one must be either a warrant officer or a commissioned officer. The crew chief was an NCO, or a "non-commissioned" officer.
Yes, see my comment to geraldsd:
https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/pilot-of-black-hawk-was-biden-white/comment/90561941
And I saw a radar screen showing the chopper zigzagging shortly before the collision.
I have read that those points are not very accurate, so it could be an artifact of the inaccuracy. I don't know for sure though.
Those details make a lot of us wonder if the helicopter was taken over remotely, and a passenger on the helicopter or the plane was the target of a hit.
More likely the passenger was on the helicopter, since it was identified as PAT25, or priority air transport. It was marked as carrying a VIP.
That area is way too congested for a safe training area…
No kidding. I have been up in a helicopter in that area (including restricted access areas) and it is CRAZY busy.
Blackhawks can be remote controlled.
The parasitic elites control the military industrial complex.
2 + 2 =?
No, they can't. And for you to think that pilots would get into an aircraft that they know they wouldn't have 100% control of tells me that phd crap is a lie. You really think people are that stupid? It takes some serious stupidity to believe what you just said. Think a bit... for once.
How do you explain this demo of remote control Blackhawks then?
https://substack.com/@dukeofgood/note/c-89914635
And what first hand evidence do you have to show there was anyone on the Blackhawk?
Snicker.
A lot of us are wondering if the helo was taken over remotely.
What would make most sense to me is that there was one more VIPs on the helicopter - it's callsign was PAT25, or priority air transport 25. That means it was carrying VIPs. So they put disposable or annoying people to pilot the craft along with the VIPs they want to get rid of, then take over the helicopter when desired.
It's possible the whole thing was a hit on someone on the plane. It's also possible it really was an accident.
What "first hand" evidence to you have that there wasn't? They can make ANY airplane remote controlled. I'd be willing to bet that there are NO UAV flights allowed in the DC class B airspace. Or any class B airspace, for that matter. Why do you require "first hand" evidence from me, but you can come up with any crazy theory you want?
Where do you people come up with these ideas? It's like people are perfect, no one ever makes a mistake, so if something bad happens, it has to be on purpose? That's just insane...
I did not claim to have any evidence whatsoever, only the people who were there and the parasites who arranged it know for sure what happened.
And yes I can come up with any theory I like whatsoever.
Or do you not believe in freedom of speech?
And I can freely say that your theory is ridiculous. Or do you not believe in freedom of speech?
You are always welcome to disagree.
None of us here will ever know for sure what happened is essentially my point.
The fog of war is currently very thick.
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Instead of hurling insults at others commenting with views you don’t agree with, why don’t you just leave. You seem like a very angry person in need of therapy.
Because people throwing out silly ideas like that need to be told they're wrong. I'm not angry, by the way. Just tired of hearing stuff like that, that makes zero sense at all.
Movie "As Good as It Gets"
Receptionist to Udall - How do you write women so well?
Udall - I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability.
If you are given a command just because you are a woman and people do not hold you accountable you are going to break the rules because there's, usually, no consequences for you. Remember the idiotic flying of the woman in "Starship Troopers" that almost got everyone killed again and again? That is what that flight path around the Potomac looked like to me, someone playing chicken with real people's lives because she could ....... and men couldn't.
My son works as a lorry driver and the company wants more women drivers because the over promoted women managers want more so they hired one a few months back who managed to wreck three expensive lorries in a one week period but she still got a rave review from her woman manager. Any man wrecking one lorry is fired. That is what I see here.
My cousin, a woman, has been a lorry driver for 30 years and has never had an accident but she started at a time when women were EXPECTED to be as competent as men ...... And so she is.
I agree. I think right now the DEI angle is a distraction from many, many, other factors that need to be investigated. And for the record, I am not in favor of DEI hiring policies.
Agree 100%
Absolutely, all possible causes must be investigated. It’s possible that one cause led to another…
I learned to fly in 1968. My flight instructor taught me the Airman's trinity: Aviate, Navigate and Communicate: IN THAT ORDER! Having worked with technology all my life I have learned one thing: TECHNOLOGY CAN'T PREVENT HUMAN ERROR, or to put it a little more indelicately, technology can't fix stupid. It is clear to me that the pilot of the UH-60 was at fault in the recent tragedy.
Air Traffic Control is the Communicate part and often cannot be relied upon to overcome human error in the cockpit. In fact, I've had incidents where an Air Traffic Controller told me to do something, but it didn't make sense based on where my airplane was in the flight pattern/envelope, so I had to question the ATC's order. I have always endeavored to obey their commands but I'm still the pilot in command of my aircraft and if I think their command is wrong for my situation at that moment, it's my responsibility to question their judgement. Reduced ATC staffing wasn't the issue but certainly could be in the future. And Air Traffic Controllers are just as prone to human error as are pilots. Sometimes too much technology can be confusing.
Technology in the cockpit cannot be relied upon to overcome a human error. The traffic alert and collision avoidance system (TCAS) system stops sending warnings and only sends Resolution Advisories (RA) when the aircraft goes below 1,000 feet. And a quote from "Introduction to TCAS II version 7": ...it is well understood that part of the remaining risk is that TCAS may induce midair collisions: "In particular, it is dependent on the accuracy of the threat aircraft's reported altitude and on the expectation that the threat aircraft will not make an abrupt maneuver that defeats the TCAS Resolution Advisory (RA). The safety study also shows that TCAS II will induce some critical near midair collisions...". It's not clear if the UH-60 involved was equipped with TCAS but I know that many military tactical aircraft aren't equipped with TCAS due to past DOD budget reductions.
PILOT ERROR BY THE ARMY PILOTS WAS THE CAUSE
It is being reported that the pilots of the UH-60 were wearing Night Vision Goggles - NVG's. If both the Army pilots were wearing Night Vision Goggles, then their collective field of vision was reduced. If it was a training flight as we are being told, then why was the Instructor Pilot (IP) wearing the NVG's? The IP SHOULD NOT have been wearing NVG's so that he could maintain complete situational awareness and ensure that the student was "AVIATING AND NAVIGATING" safely. You don't need NVG's to fly at night. The pilots of the CRJ weren't wearing NVG's! I can understand the need to wear NVG's in training, but NOT when you're aviating and navigating through one of the busiest airspaces in America. I hope Sec Def Hegseth's investigation will result in changes to the Army's training.
Choppers are in second place as being reliable air craft per hour in flight.
Airplanes fly millions of air miles without incidents thus safer than Choppers.
Are Choppers Handy as hell ? Affirmative copy that! Vertical landing and takeoff!
So with that safety feature....why was this even placed near a direct flight traffic zone?
I can see some parallels between the helicopter tragedy, and the sinking of our NZ Navy ship recently. Both displayed catastrophic operational failure during a routine activity, caused by unexplainable errors by person in command, and both times were women. The Lesbian commander of our navy ship was also relatively inexperienced in her role.
I lived in Fiji for a few years. So after arriving in 2018, I went to the wharf of the capital to collect my car that I had purchased in Australia and had shipped over. I had to wait by my car for about 20 minutes or so, and right in front of me was a NZ frigate or other smaller naval vessel. It was late afternoon, so sailors were emerging from the ship to walk to town (a very seedy place, minutes away on foot) and there was a very large proportion of butch women, many with an abundance of tattoos. I remember being amused by the scene and thinking it was a product of the woke Ardern regime. BTW, when she visited, the roads were closed whenever she went anywhere, which created mayhem. Not so when the Aussie PM, ScoMo, had been there a year or so earlier.