Well, it would be awful hard for me to say Dr Malone is a "chaos" agent! I subscribe to his substack and McCulloughs and Steve Kirsch and Jessica Rose. I know zip about the Breggins, so I cannot be unbiased in the discussion as I have no knowledge of them, just what I hear which is almost ALL good except for them giving Malone SO much cr…
Well, it would be awful hard for me to say Dr Malone is a "chaos" agent! I subscribe to his substack and McCulloughs and Steve Kirsch and Jessica Rose. I know zip about the Breggins, so I cannot be unbiased in the discussion as I have no knowledge of them, just what I hear which is almost ALL good except for them giving Malone SO much crapp he felt it necessary to shut them up with a 25 million $ lawsuit.
From reading nearly all his newsletters I feel I have a pretty good handle on the kind of man he is-- a great one; not one with the time to F around with fools or harassers. If Breggins have to go out in public and berate him without having a direct discussion with him, and I don't KNOW this is the case, but if so, then, I have no time for them. He had done nothing to them and they attacked him for his association with Desmet and his stand on a theory(THEORY!) Desmet published. I believe they went way overboard.
So from your point of view, the people who criticized Malone’s ideas went way overboard? But the man who sued an elderly couple for $25 million dollars because they didn’t like his ideas is in the right?
How about his lawsuit against Dr Jane Ruby? She also deserved it?
If he is in the right, why were his lawsuits dismissed?
Can you tell me about his contracts with the government? I would love to hear more about those.
Well Brandy, apparently you have been following all the gossip and drama a LOT more than I. I did NOT say that the people who criticized Malone's ideas went way overboard. The Breggins extreme and continued persecution went overboard. My point is that Malone adopted Desmet's ideas and supported his thesis on a THEORY. Nothing wrong with disputing Desmet's theory but that is no excuse to persecute his supporter in chief, much less incessantly. I contend Malone hit them with an(excessive) lawsuit, admittedly, but did so to obtain relief. Tough on the two old folks if they want to start a fight with an able opponent who refuses to take their shit-- regardless of how great they are and what they have done for humanity. Stuck fingers in a wasp nest. Did they finally pull them back out?!
-- never heard of the lawsuit w/ J. Ruby. Irrelevant to this discussion, possibly.
-- My take on the Breggins lawsuit is he did it NOT to persecute them but because HE was the one being persecuted by their constant bludgeoning against him out of the blue. He did not ask for it and they hit him with both barrels-- MY understanding.
-- without seeing and reading the terms of his contracts not YOU or I have any basis upon which to comment and gossip. Get one, read it, and THEN mouth off more about it. Feel free.
So do you have proof of the Breggin’s persecution of Malone? He didn’t, thus his lawsuit was dismissed. Criticizing someone’s ideas and speculating on their motive is not a crime. It is not persecution. It’s freedom of speech and it’s essential in a democracy. The judge agreed. Even people who support Malone generally see the lawsuit as a little nutty, at least.
The Breggin’s are amazing and have some very profound ideas when it comes to the mental health crisis that the world is in. They are concerned that people will be labeled with a new diagnosis (mass psychosis) and medicated for that diagnosis, instead of holding accountable the culprits who preyed upon the average citizen: the globalists. Which is a valid point. I find the truth to be nuanced but I certainly think Malone is wrong when he dismisses a conspiracy. It’s pretty obvious there was a conspiracy.
Again, If people disagree, it is not persecution, even if it’s a very strong disagreement. I have heard Malone disagree with many people and disparage them. Those people aren’t suing him because that’s called freedom of speech to disagree with someone.
Sasha Latypova, whom he has spoken very ill of, tried to speak with him when Steve Kirsch offered to host both of them. Malone declined. So apparently, Malone is perfectly fine “persecuting” other people as well as suing people who disagree with him, but he won’t have a friendly conversation with someone that he disagrees with.
I was in support of Malone for a while and even listened to him in person at a convention. I have listened to many of his interviews and I agree with a lot of what he says. However, I always have more questions about him and his work after listening to him. Like why would someone who understood the dangers of mRNA take the injection? I have heard him give multiple answers for taking the injection and none of them make intellectual sense.
After his lawsuits and also after hearing him say a few key other things, I am now convinced that he is trying to steer the health freedom movement in a direction that is detrimental to the citizens.
And since you did not answer my questions about his government contracts, I assume that you are not aware of what kind of work he is involved in. I want to know more as well because this is extremely important information to help us to decipher his motives. It’s essential. Whiteout it, we do not know what his conflicts of interest may be.
I know that vaccine development is part of his work, which I find really… really curious. I don’t know if that is work connected to the government or a pharmaceutical collaboration or what. But I have found that I do not believe that vaccines are a viable solution to diseases so I’m very skeptical of anyone working in that space. Anyone employed in that space definitely stands to loose a ton of funding if the pharmaceutical industry secrets ever become well known to the public, which is slowly happening now.
The most notable instance of him causing a disruption in the health freedom movement, in my mind, was in his recent interview with Steve kirsch. He talked about how both Biden and Trump were disasters. I don’t remember his exact words. But I did find that interesting. Then, most importantly, when Steve asked if Malone supported RFK Jr, he immediately responded that RFK Jr had absolutely no chance. (This is not actually true. RFK Jr has a very strong campaign going and polls well against both candidates, especially in young voters).
Kirsch then said that he thought RFK Jr had a chance. Malone immediately said condescendingly, “bless your heart”. That is a psy-op move if I have ever witnessed/heard one in real time.
Why would Malone point out that Biden and Trump were bad candidates and then act like it was foolish to get behind RFK Jr? Even if he had no chance, why not support him on principle of Biden and Trump are both bad candidates? And, it’s very early in the campaign season to say that a candidate isn’t viable.
I’ll tell you why I think he would do this. Putting down Trump and Biden is a popular thing to do in health freedom circles because they are both clearly controlled by big pharma. This wins him credibility points on places like substack and in spaces where people know how bad those two candidates are for the free world.
Dismissing RFK Jr and acting like it’s foolish to even consider voting for him is an attempt to keep him out of the race. The MSM is doing this as well and the mSM is definitely owned/controlled by big pharma. Malone is discouraging an actual health freedom movement that has the potential to have the power of the presidency behind it. Odd. Or intentional.
RFK jr, with all of his faults and with whatever policy issues people have with him, there are two things that he is serious about and dedicated to. He will reform the regulatory agencies (thus putting big pharma out of the business of making people sick while making tons of money- and it will put the government out of the business of working with pharma to make people sick).
The other issue that RFK Jr is serious about is reforming the intelligence agencies. He will actually make things happen. This leads to my very relevant questions about Malone’s ties to the government.
To spell it out concisely, if Malone knows Trump and Biden are both corrupt, it doesn’t make any sense to not get behind RFK Jr, unless he is trying to keep RFK Jr from becoming president.
Malone worked with CHD, I believe. Which makes prefect sense if trying to undermine the health freedom movement from within is his goal.
Between all the things that I have mentioned here, and other things that I’ve heard him say, like speaking against people like Sasha Latypova, Mike Yeadon and others, I have come to the conclusion that he is a chaos agent within the health freedom movement.
I could be wrong. I am always open to evidence on either side of an issue. I think the Breggins’ criticism of his idea that there was no global conspiracy is pretty accurate. Hopefully Malone doesn’t sue me (I jest but seriously…).
I just disagree with the Breggins that we are helpless children that cannot defend our minds from the propagandists. But watching Malone operate in this space is definitely a point for the Breggin’s side of the argument. Malone is very good at what he is doing. It took me a long time to see it.
Brandy, it certainly appears you and I agree on a LOT! You have considerably more background on the situation than I, so I will not stand on any soapbox to defend Malone. I actually stopped his newsletter after he sued; restarted later. . . I cannot take the time to fill a whole chapter like you. I have a chicken tractor to make!
My take on Malone:
Malone is a loner, lives on a remote farm(like me), and simply refuses to take S from anyone, regardless of how much they have saved the world. When guys get old they just GET like that-- specially technically trained guys. I would know. I do not believe he has ulterior motives as you may be inferring from the fact he has worked with the Gov. and has some continuing contract of which no one knows details. It is likely when he brought the lawsuit his attorney told him it would fail but in its initial prosecution he would find quiet on that front, just from the scare factor.
RFK Jr.: I agree with Malone but it is condescending to affront people as if this is a dead cinch. I agree because of what happened with Ross Perot hosing the election for Bush; Slick Willie loved it though. Just like Trump will enjoy it. Secondly, even if RFK took the presidency I believe neither he, Trump, nor any other non-socialist / Democrat will be able to significantly change the CIA, FDA, etc as they are already too deeply entrenched. I am convinced nothing short of FULL revolution will change the country back to Constitutional Law and values.
Trump: He will bring change but it is debatable if it will be good as the deep state opposition is likely more than ready for him to try and disable them etc. We would be delusional if we thought otherwise. They will spike his moves with multiple rejoinders.
But that is just me. By the way, sorry I came down so hard on my previous comment!
Btw, as a thanks for the link you shared, (loved the animals) here’s a link for you to listen to so that you can get an idea of who Peter Breggins is. It’s a very interesting interview about current politics. Thought you would enjoy it. Then you won’t be able to say that you don’t know anything about the Breggins. :)
I only found this message from you because I re-visited the conversation by doing a search. . . I got no notice that you had replied. . . not sure what is going on with that.
I read it. I am well acquainted with Dr Malone. No surprises. I have listened to him speak in person. I have also read and listened to many interviews he has done. I agree with a lot of what he says.
I disagree with him that there was not a global conspiracy involved in the pandemic. I think there were globalists working together to create the situation that we experienced.
Between his 25 million dollar lawsuit against people in the freedom movement, his undisclosed contract(s) with the government and possibly the pharmaceutical industry, his disparaging Sasha Latypova and refusing to speak publicly with her, his denial of a global conspiracy, his constantly putting down people that question certain parts of the narrative, and recently his efforts to discourage people from voting for the only candidate speaking out about government regulatory reform, I believe that his intentions are not good for the average citizen.
If someone is infiltrating a social movement to disrupt it, they will always say A LOT of things that people want to hear, but their actions will not match. They aren’t going to say, “I am trying to lull you into doing something against your best interest.” But that is what they are doing.
I think Malone is doing this in some capacity. I think this is true of Trump as well. Good rhetoric, terrible decisions made.
Thanks for the link though, I’m glad it’s coming to light how deadly these injections are.
I still find it very interesting that he’s an expert in mRNA but took the injection based on hearsay that they fixed all the inherent problems- no proof, no ingredients list, no data. Another Malone mystery that I’ve thought a lot about. Either he’s not very expert, or he’s making up stories to be relatable. I don’t know which it is.
It reminds me of Trump still singing the praises about the injection. Either he’s the most ignorant person in the country, or he’s knowingly lying. Take your pick. Either one makes him not fit for the presidency. But that’s just my two cents.
Brandy there is very little you said, and THAT'S a lot, which I cannot agree. I think you have studied the situation WAY more than I care to or, in fact, have. Being you are a woman, and me a guy, I have to bend to your intuition . . . mostly. To me, with the knowledge I have in hand, I can't make the jump to him being in a conspiracy against the freedom movement. My reading from his Substack letters leads me to feel he is a leader in it and resistant. Still, the deal with Latyapova and the big lawsuit put me off too.
OH! yeah. I only got a few min. into the audio you sent and think I can understand Breggins motivation for coming down on Malone:
He is a psychiatrist pschoanalyst and resents the unschooled from stepping on his turf-- not just Desmet, but Malone by proxy. who knows.
No, I don’t think your assessment of the Breggin’s motivation is correct. The Breggins are actually very concerned about labeling what happened during Covid to the average citizens as “psychosis”. If you understand the definition of psychosis, you will know that it means a diagnosable mental disorder that needs treatment. And what kind of treatments are available today for mental disorders? Generally medication and expensive, intrusive, unscientific psychotherapy. Basically it would be a disaster. Malone is an MD. He knows what “psychosis” means. It’s not an oversight for him to use that term.
The Breggin’s argument is that what happened was not a mental disorder of the average citizens but rather a psychological and militarized attack by global predators, therefore to label what happened as a psychosis is akin to victim blaming in the Breggin’s view.
They have been speaking out against over diagnosing and over medicating people for decades and this diagnosis that Malone has made of why people acted the way they did follows the pattern of over-diagnosing and also at the same time, Malone is dismissing the perpetrators.
Desmet called it mass formation, which I believe is more of a description of what happened and not a diagnostic phrase. Desmet completely dismisses any sort of conspiracy. This seems like a poorly formed opinion to me because there is a lot of evidence of a global conspiracy. Thus the reason I would love to hear them discuss the topic in a friendly but authentic way.
I find myself in the middle of the issue between the Breggin’s and Desmet. I completely disagree with Malone, that people suffered from psychosis during the pandemic before the roll out of the vaccines.
Malone may be an awesome guy. I don’t think so but I do not know for sure. I’ve been observing closely because I also thought he was a good guy originally. I think there is enough evidence to have changed my mind but I am always open to new evidence. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. We may never really know for sure. Seeing his contracts would help but that’s unlikely to happen so I’ll keep observing and looking for clues.
Holy Cow Brandy. You have analyzed this in detail and I cannot disagree with anything-- I was just pointing out that Breggins has a turf control problem besides not liking Malone's opinion on this theory. I still believe he is so right any minor discrepency in the opinion was enough to set him off against whoever fails to see it EXACTLY his way.
I agree with Breggins' view as you describe it. Malone / Desmet are wrong in the view of no conspiracy. The thing is, this is JUST a theory they fail to agree on. It is of little consequence if they agree; all that matters is they both act against the perps. From What I can tell, Malone does. Breggin, too apparently.
Surely, they are both flawed humans, as we all are.
Well, it would be awful hard for me to say Dr Malone is a "chaos" agent! I subscribe to his substack and McCulloughs and Steve Kirsch and Jessica Rose. I know zip about the Breggins, so I cannot be unbiased in the discussion as I have no knowledge of them, just what I hear which is almost ALL good except for them giving Malone SO much crapp he felt it necessary to shut them up with a 25 million $ lawsuit.
From reading nearly all his newsletters I feel I have a pretty good handle on the kind of man he is-- a great one; not one with the time to F around with fools or harassers. If Breggins have to go out in public and berate him without having a direct discussion with him, and I don't KNOW this is the case, but if so, then, I have no time for them. He had done nothing to them and they attacked him for his association with Desmet and his stand on a theory(THEORY!) Desmet published. I believe they went way overboard.
So from your point of view, the people who criticized Malone’s ideas went way overboard? But the man who sued an elderly couple for $25 million dollars because they didn’t like his ideas is in the right?
How about his lawsuit against Dr Jane Ruby? She also deserved it?
If he is in the right, why were his lawsuits dismissed?
Can you tell me about his contracts with the government? I would love to hear more about those.
Well Brandy, apparently you have been following all the gossip and drama a LOT more than I. I did NOT say that the people who criticized Malone's ideas went way overboard. The Breggins extreme and continued persecution went overboard. My point is that Malone adopted Desmet's ideas and supported his thesis on a THEORY. Nothing wrong with disputing Desmet's theory but that is no excuse to persecute his supporter in chief, much less incessantly. I contend Malone hit them with an(excessive) lawsuit, admittedly, but did so to obtain relief. Tough on the two old folks if they want to start a fight with an able opponent who refuses to take their shit-- regardless of how great they are and what they have done for humanity. Stuck fingers in a wasp nest. Did they finally pull them back out?!
-- never heard of the lawsuit w/ J. Ruby. Irrelevant to this discussion, possibly.
-- My take on the Breggins lawsuit is he did it NOT to persecute them but because HE was the one being persecuted by their constant bludgeoning against him out of the blue. He did not ask for it and they hit him with both barrels-- MY understanding.
-- without seeing and reading the terms of his contracts not YOU or I have any basis upon which to comment and gossip. Get one, read it, and THEN mouth off more about it. Feel free.
So do you have proof of the Breggin’s persecution of Malone? He didn’t, thus his lawsuit was dismissed. Criticizing someone’s ideas and speculating on their motive is not a crime. It is not persecution. It’s freedom of speech and it’s essential in a democracy. The judge agreed. Even people who support Malone generally see the lawsuit as a little nutty, at least.
The Breggin’s are amazing and have some very profound ideas when it comes to the mental health crisis that the world is in. They are concerned that people will be labeled with a new diagnosis (mass psychosis) and medicated for that diagnosis, instead of holding accountable the culprits who preyed upon the average citizen: the globalists. Which is a valid point. I find the truth to be nuanced but I certainly think Malone is wrong when he dismisses a conspiracy. It’s pretty obvious there was a conspiracy.
Again, If people disagree, it is not persecution, even if it’s a very strong disagreement. I have heard Malone disagree with many people and disparage them. Those people aren’t suing him because that’s called freedom of speech to disagree with someone.
Sasha Latypova, whom he has spoken very ill of, tried to speak with him when Steve Kirsch offered to host both of them. Malone declined. So apparently, Malone is perfectly fine “persecuting” other people as well as suing people who disagree with him, but he won’t have a friendly conversation with someone that he disagrees with.
I was in support of Malone for a while and even listened to him in person at a convention. I have listened to many of his interviews and I agree with a lot of what he says. However, I always have more questions about him and his work after listening to him. Like why would someone who understood the dangers of mRNA take the injection? I have heard him give multiple answers for taking the injection and none of them make intellectual sense.
After his lawsuits and also after hearing him say a few key other things, I am now convinced that he is trying to steer the health freedom movement in a direction that is detrimental to the citizens.
And since you did not answer my questions about his government contracts, I assume that you are not aware of what kind of work he is involved in. I want to know more as well because this is extremely important information to help us to decipher his motives. It’s essential. Whiteout it, we do not know what his conflicts of interest may be.
I know that vaccine development is part of his work, which I find really… really curious. I don’t know if that is work connected to the government or a pharmaceutical collaboration or what. But I have found that I do not believe that vaccines are a viable solution to diseases so I’m very skeptical of anyone working in that space. Anyone employed in that space definitely stands to loose a ton of funding if the pharmaceutical industry secrets ever become well known to the public, which is slowly happening now.
The most notable instance of him causing a disruption in the health freedom movement, in my mind, was in his recent interview with Steve kirsch. He talked about how both Biden and Trump were disasters. I don’t remember his exact words. But I did find that interesting. Then, most importantly, when Steve asked if Malone supported RFK Jr, he immediately responded that RFK Jr had absolutely no chance. (This is not actually true. RFK Jr has a very strong campaign going and polls well against both candidates, especially in young voters).
Kirsch then said that he thought RFK Jr had a chance. Malone immediately said condescendingly, “bless your heart”. That is a psy-op move if I have ever witnessed/heard one in real time.
Why would Malone point out that Biden and Trump were bad candidates and then act like it was foolish to get behind RFK Jr? Even if he had no chance, why not support him on principle of Biden and Trump are both bad candidates? And, it’s very early in the campaign season to say that a candidate isn’t viable.
I’ll tell you why I think he would do this. Putting down Trump and Biden is a popular thing to do in health freedom circles because they are both clearly controlled by big pharma. This wins him credibility points on places like substack and in spaces where people know how bad those two candidates are for the free world.
Dismissing RFK Jr and acting like it’s foolish to even consider voting for him is an attempt to keep him out of the race. The MSM is doing this as well and the mSM is definitely owned/controlled by big pharma. Malone is discouraging an actual health freedom movement that has the potential to have the power of the presidency behind it. Odd. Or intentional.
RFK jr, with all of his faults and with whatever policy issues people have with him, there are two things that he is serious about and dedicated to. He will reform the regulatory agencies (thus putting big pharma out of the business of making people sick while making tons of money- and it will put the government out of the business of working with pharma to make people sick).
The other issue that RFK Jr is serious about is reforming the intelligence agencies. He will actually make things happen. This leads to my very relevant questions about Malone’s ties to the government.
To spell it out concisely, if Malone knows Trump and Biden are both corrupt, it doesn’t make any sense to not get behind RFK Jr, unless he is trying to keep RFK Jr from becoming president.
Malone worked with CHD, I believe. Which makes prefect sense if trying to undermine the health freedom movement from within is his goal.
Between all the things that I have mentioned here, and other things that I’ve heard him say, like speaking against people like Sasha Latypova, Mike Yeadon and others, I have come to the conclusion that he is a chaos agent within the health freedom movement.
I could be wrong. I am always open to evidence on either side of an issue. I think the Breggins’ criticism of his idea that there was no global conspiracy is pretty accurate. Hopefully Malone doesn’t sue me (I jest but seriously…).
I just disagree with the Breggins that we are helpless children that cannot defend our minds from the propagandists. But watching Malone operate in this space is definitely a point for the Breggin’s side of the argument. Malone is very good at what he is doing. It took me a long time to see it.
Brandy, it certainly appears you and I agree on a LOT! You have considerably more background on the situation than I, so I will not stand on any soapbox to defend Malone. I actually stopped his newsletter after he sued; restarted later. . . I cannot take the time to fill a whole chapter like you. I have a chicken tractor to make!
My take on Malone:
Malone is a loner, lives on a remote farm(like me), and simply refuses to take S from anyone, regardless of how much they have saved the world. When guys get old they just GET like that-- specially technically trained guys. I would know. I do not believe he has ulterior motives as you may be inferring from the fact he has worked with the Gov. and has some continuing contract of which no one knows details. It is likely when he brought the lawsuit his attorney told him it would fail but in its initial prosecution he would find quiet on that front, just from the scare factor.
RFK Jr.: I agree with Malone but it is condescending to affront people as if this is a dead cinch. I agree because of what happened with Ross Perot hosing the election for Bush; Slick Willie loved it though. Just like Trump will enjoy it. Secondly, even if RFK took the presidency I believe neither he, Trump, nor any other non-socialist / Democrat will be able to significantly change the CIA, FDA, etc as they are already too deeply entrenched. I am convinced nothing short of FULL revolution will change the country back to Constitutional Law and values.
Trump: He will bring change but it is debatable if it will be good as the deep state opposition is likely more than ready for him to try and disable them etc. We would be delusional if we thought otherwise. They will spike his moves with multiple rejoinders.
But that is just me. By the way, sorry I came down so hard on my previous comment!
take care Brandy.
by the way:
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/life-on-the-farm-goose-stories?
Btw, as a thanks for the link you shared, (loved the animals) here’s a link for you to listen to so that you can get an idea of who Peter Breggins is. It’s a very interesting interview about current politics. Thought you would enjoy it. Then you won’t be able to say that you don’t know anything about the Breggins. :)
https://content.blubrry.com/voiceofanation/What_in_the_hell_is_going_on_in_the_World_A_conversation_with_Dr_Peter_Breggin.mp3
I only found this message from you because I re-visited the conversation by doing a search. . . I got no notice that you had replied. . . not sure what is going on with that.
Well, it’s nice to have a respectful conversation, even if we disagree. Thanks for the link and the well wishes. Best to you too.
This may be a good one for ya'
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/update-on-covid-mrna-vaccine-harms?
I read it. I am well acquainted with Dr Malone. No surprises. I have listened to him speak in person. I have also read and listened to many interviews he has done. I agree with a lot of what he says.
I disagree with him that there was not a global conspiracy involved in the pandemic. I think there were globalists working together to create the situation that we experienced.
Between his 25 million dollar lawsuit against people in the freedom movement, his undisclosed contract(s) with the government and possibly the pharmaceutical industry, his disparaging Sasha Latypova and refusing to speak publicly with her, his denial of a global conspiracy, his constantly putting down people that question certain parts of the narrative, and recently his efforts to discourage people from voting for the only candidate speaking out about government regulatory reform, I believe that his intentions are not good for the average citizen.
If someone is infiltrating a social movement to disrupt it, they will always say A LOT of things that people want to hear, but their actions will not match. They aren’t going to say, “I am trying to lull you into doing something against your best interest.” But that is what they are doing.
I think Malone is doing this in some capacity. I think this is true of Trump as well. Good rhetoric, terrible decisions made.
Thanks for the link though, I’m glad it’s coming to light how deadly these injections are.
I still find it very interesting that he’s an expert in mRNA but took the injection based on hearsay that they fixed all the inherent problems- no proof, no ingredients list, no data. Another Malone mystery that I’ve thought a lot about. Either he’s not very expert, or he’s making up stories to be relatable. I don’t know which it is.
It reminds me of Trump still singing the praises about the injection. Either he’s the most ignorant person in the country, or he’s knowingly lying. Take your pick. Either one makes him not fit for the presidency. But that’s just my two cents.
Have a great day!
hmmmm.
Brandy there is very little you said, and THAT'S a lot, which I cannot agree. I think you have studied the situation WAY more than I care to or, in fact, have. Being you are a woman, and me a guy, I have to bend to your intuition . . . mostly. To me, with the knowledge I have in hand, I can't make the jump to him being in a conspiracy against the freedom movement. My reading from his Substack letters leads me to feel he is a leader in it and resistant. Still, the deal with Latyapova and the big lawsuit put me off too.
OH! yeah. I only got a few min. into the audio you sent and think I can understand Breggins motivation for coming down on Malone:
He is a psychiatrist pschoanalyst and resents the unschooled from stepping on his turf-- not just Desmet, but Malone by proxy. who knows.
No, I don’t think your assessment of the Breggin’s motivation is correct. The Breggins are actually very concerned about labeling what happened during Covid to the average citizens as “psychosis”. If you understand the definition of psychosis, you will know that it means a diagnosable mental disorder that needs treatment. And what kind of treatments are available today for mental disorders? Generally medication and expensive, intrusive, unscientific psychotherapy. Basically it would be a disaster. Malone is an MD. He knows what “psychosis” means. It’s not an oversight for him to use that term.
The Breggin’s argument is that what happened was not a mental disorder of the average citizens but rather a psychological and militarized attack by global predators, therefore to label what happened as a psychosis is akin to victim blaming in the Breggin’s view.
They have been speaking out against over diagnosing and over medicating people for decades and this diagnosis that Malone has made of why people acted the way they did follows the pattern of over-diagnosing and also at the same time, Malone is dismissing the perpetrators.
Desmet called it mass formation, which I believe is more of a description of what happened and not a diagnostic phrase. Desmet completely dismisses any sort of conspiracy. This seems like a poorly formed opinion to me because there is a lot of evidence of a global conspiracy. Thus the reason I would love to hear them discuss the topic in a friendly but authentic way.
I find myself in the middle of the issue between the Breggin’s and Desmet. I completely disagree with Malone, that people suffered from psychosis during the pandemic before the roll out of the vaccines.
Malone may be an awesome guy. I don’t think so but I do not know for sure. I’ve been observing closely because I also thought he was a good guy originally. I think there is enough evidence to have changed my mind but I am always open to new evidence. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. We may never really know for sure. Seeing his contracts would help but that’s unlikely to happen so I’ll keep observing and looking for clues.
Holy Cow Brandy. You have analyzed this in detail and I cannot disagree with anything-- I was just pointing out that Breggins has a turf control problem besides not liking Malone's opinion on this theory. I still believe he is so right any minor discrepency in the opinion was enough to set him off against whoever fails to see it EXACTLY his way.
I agree with Breggins' view as you describe it. Malone / Desmet are wrong in the view of no conspiracy. The thing is, this is JUST a theory they fail to agree on. It is of little consequence if they agree; all that matters is they both act against the perps. From What I can tell, Malone does. Breggin, too apparently.
Surely, they are both flawed humans, as we all are.