Only if you ignore the atheistic religions of the left beginning with the French Revolution and continuing through the 20th century (and Nazi’s were/are leftists, sport, anticipating your ignorant retort: NAZI = National SOCIALISTS). Just because some one in the past has been quoted , doesn’t make them correct.
Only if you ignore the atheistic religions of the left beginning with the French Revolution and continuing through the 20th century (and Nazi’s were/are leftists, sport, anticipating your ignorant retort: NAZI = National SOCIALISTS). Just because some one in the past has been quoted , doesn’t make them correct.
Nazi comes from Ashke-nazi. The financial forces behind the Nazi were the bankers, many International influences went into putting Hitler in office. Max Warburg, Rothschild Bankers, IG Farben, Shell Oil, Ford and IBM.
Nazi-- Etymology comes from "" nasi "" meaning "prince or heir apparent," in Hebrew. The meaning of this in Hebrew originates from Ancient Egyptian term "So--Nisi," King is Neshu or Neshua.
Etymology is a unique way to expose where words we are so used to come from.
1930, noun and adjective, from German Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920.
The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c. 1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi, Naczi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in World War I Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary.
An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in English National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually was brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists.
Nothing about “princes” or Hebrew terminology.
A look at other websites shows that they are in general agreement with the above definition, which is also my understanding of the origin of “Nazi”.
I would be very interested in seeing the source material for your entomology of the word, if you can provide it….
Again wrong. I learned this from my parents, neighbors, and teachers, some of whom had slid out between the retreating Nazis and advancing Soviets,to come to the US eventually, others who were veterans of that war, BEFORE all the PC, and worse, corrupted things!
You are not wrong here about the "Political Construct" Nazi, there are Cultural Linguistic roots to words I try to follow more than just the "Dictionary" definitions. But here:
The term “Nazi”, instead of being short for NAtional soZIalistisch, appears to be derived from “Nasi”, which means Prince in ancient Hebrew.
The noun nasi (including variations), appears 132 times in the Tenach (Old Testament). The first use is for the 12 "princes" who will descend from Ishmael, in Genesis 17. The second use, in Genesis 23, is the Hethites recognising Abraham as "a godly prince" (nesi).
In the book of Numbers, the leader of each tribe is called – a nasi.
Later in the history of Israel, according to the Tenach (e.g. Lev 4:22; Ezek 44:2-18; Ezra 1:8), the title nasi refers to the political ruler of Judea.
And ....
Nāśîʾ, Hebrew Strong's #5387, pronounced “naw-see”, is a noun meaning raised or exalted one. It is used in the OT 132 times, and is translated in the KJV as prince (96), captain (12), chief (10), ruler (6), vapours (3), governor (1), chief + 05387 (1), clouds (1), part (1), prince + 05387 (1). It is a derivative of Hebrew Strong’s #5375, nāśāʾ, a verb which is translated in the KJV as lift up, arise, exalt, extol, raise, high, etc.
While "NAZI" may in fact be derived from "nāśî", I believe it no small coincidence that the roots “fasci” and “nazi” are found in the Italian word for “fascination.”
There are many layers to the study of language, as I have been studying Ancient Egyptian; I noticed that I had to figure out how to filter out the Ancient Hebrew from some Middle Egyptian to get to Archaic Egyptian word roots, to approximate the original word meanings.
There are many angles to the definition of Nazi, to witt:
Definition from Webster’s, 1828:
FASCINA'TION, noun The act of bewitching or enchanting; enchantment; witchcraft; a powerful or irresistible influence on the affections or passions; unseen inexplicable influence. The ancients speak of two kinds of fascination; one by the look or eye; the other by words.
So it is said that:
Hitler’s rise (nāśā) to power was due in large part to his ability to “fascinate” the people of Germany. Where did this ability come from? From his own fascination (and obsession) with Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and her book “The Secret Doctrine.”
Nevertheless, they were the National Socialists and therefore leftists, which is the point that this non linguist was making; I am well aware of the banker’s backing of the little man; money has no politics, is neither left nor right; it is all about the Benjamin’s (or rubles or marks).
My point was not to be insulting, but rather to declare that I have no claim to special insight into etymology of the word (another poster has done far better than I could), just my common knowledge of who they were-national socialists.
I have spent the last 25 years studying Sanskrit and Ancient Egyptian. The problem I found in the search for Nasi, which in an English phonic gets a "z" turned up no results, I think it may have to do with how the site is "managed."
You are right about the Nationalist Socialist too though.
I'm guessing you've never read Alan Watts. Multiple reasons for that, I'm sure.
He was a philosopher you know, very well versed in comparative religion and psychology. My favorite book of his is The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are.
Well I am glad that I never wasted any time on him, regardless of your opinion or others, as he certainly had homonyms hemianopsia (blind spot) regarding totalitarian atheism, making his ramblings not fit for purpose in the modern world; and it has been decades since I picked up a Playboy, not that I would pass up the centerfold.
Only if you ignore the atheistic religions of the left beginning with the French Revolution and continuing through the 20th century (and Nazi’s were/are leftists, sport, anticipating your ignorant retort: NAZI = National SOCIALISTS). Just because some one in the past has been quoted , doesn’t make them correct.
Nazi comes from Ashke-nazi. The financial forces behind the Nazi were the bankers, many International influences went into putting Hitler in office. Max Warburg, Rothschild Bankers, IG Farben, Shell Oil, Ford and IBM.
Nazi-- Etymology comes from "" nasi "" meaning "prince or heir apparent," in Hebrew. The meaning of this in Hebrew originates from Ancient Egyptian term "So--Nisi," King is Neshu or Neshua.
Etymology is a unique way to expose where words we are so used to come from.
Not sure where you got your information but the following is the origin of the word Nazi…..
From Etymonline.com
Nazi
1930, noun and adjective, from German Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier German sozi, popular abbreviation of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920.
The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c. 1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi, Naczi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in World War I Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary.
An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in English National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually was brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists.
Nothing about “princes” or Hebrew terminology.
A look at other websites shows that they are in general agreement with the above definition, which is also my understanding of the origin of “Nazi”.
I would be very interested in seeing the source material for your entomology of the word, if you can provide it….
Thanks
From Etymonline.com
Nasi == No results were found for nasi.
This means the site is being "Managed" for results only found for an "English" linguistic point of view.
I get most of my materials from Original Sources. Some of which cannot be found online, due to social engineering and censorship.
Nasi would be prince in English.
Again wrong. I learned this from my parents, neighbors, and teachers, some of whom had slid out between the retreating Nazis and advancing Soviets,to come to the US eventually, others who were veterans of that war, BEFORE all the PC, and worse, corrupted things!
You are not wrong here about the "Political Construct" Nazi, there are Cultural Linguistic roots to words I try to follow more than just the "Dictionary" definitions. But here:
The term “Nazi”, instead of being short for NAtional soZIalistisch, appears to be derived from “Nasi”, which means Prince in ancient Hebrew.
The noun nasi (including variations), appears 132 times in the Tenach (Old Testament). The first use is for the 12 "princes" who will descend from Ishmael, in Genesis 17. The second use, in Genesis 23, is the Hethites recognising Abraham as "a godly prince" (nesi).
In the book of Numbers, the leader of each tribe is called – a nasi.
Later in the history of Israel, according to the Tenach (e.g. Lev 4:22; Ezek 44:2-18; Ezra 1:8), the title nasi refers to the political ruler of Judea.
And ....
Nāśîʾ, Hebrew Strong's #5387, pronounced “naw-see”, is a noun meaning raised or exalted one. It is used in the OT 132 times, and is translated in the KJV as prince (96), captain (12), chief (10), ruler (6), vapours (3), governor (1), chief + 05387 (1), clouds (1), part (1), prince + 05387 (1). It is a derivative of Hebrew Strong’s #5375, nāśāʾ, a verb which is translated in the KJV as lift up, arise, exalt, extol, raise, high, etc.
While "NAZI" may in fact be derived from "nāśî", I believe it no small coincidence that the roots “fasci” and “nazi” are found in the Italian word for “fascination.”
There are many layers to the study of language, as I have been studying Ancient Egyptian; I noticed that I had to figure out how to filter out the Ancient Hebrew from some Middle Egyptian to get to Archaic Egyptian word roots, to approximate the original word meanings.
There are many angles to the definition of Nazi, to witt:
Definition from Webster’s, 1828:
FASCINA'TION, noun The act of bewitching or enchanting; enchantment; witchcraft; a powerful or irresistible influence on the affections or passions; unseen inexplicable influence. The ancients speak of two kinds of fascination; one by the look or eye; the other by words.
So it is said that:
Hitler’s rise (nāśā) to power was due in large part to his ability to “fascinate” the people of Germany. Where did this ability come from? From his own fascination (and obsession) with Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky and her book “The Secret Doctrine.”
https://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd-hp.htm
http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/theoso ... uthors.htm
This is a part of a very large discussion, I am making no claims here.
Nevertheless, they were the National Socialists and therefore leftists, which is the point that this non linguist was making; I am well aware of the banker’s backing of the little man; money has no politics, is neither left nor right; it is all about the Benjamin’s (or rubles or marks).
"Non Linguist?" are you a linguist? Taking an extra effort to be insulting makes no point at all.
My point was not to be insulting, but rather to declare that I have no claim to special insight into etymology of the word (another poster has done far better than I could), just my common knowledge of who they were-national socialists.
I am sorry that I was misunderstood.
I have spent the last 25 years studying Sanskrit and Ancient Egyptian. The problem I found in the search for Nasi, which in an English phonic gets a "z" turned up no results, I think it may have to do with how the site is "managed."
You are right about the Nationalist Socialist too though.
Like I said, I knew that I was way over my head in what you were citing, so I went in a different direction. ;-)
I'm guessing you've never read Alan Watts. Multiple reasons for that, I'm sure.
He was a philosopher you know, very well versed in comparative religion and psychology. My favorite book of his is The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are.
Well I am glad that I never wasted any time on him, regardless of your opinion or others, as he certainly had homonyms hemianopsia (blind spot) regarding totalitarian atheism, making his ramblings not fit for purpose in the modern world; and it has been decades since I picked up a Playboy, not that I would pass up the centerfold.
I still have a pulse.
True. Most people don't know that the revolutionaries were as intent upon destroying the church as the monarchy.
True!