Lithium ion battery fires are a chemical reaction. The reaction generates its own oxygen which fuels the combustion. It cannot be smothered and it cannot be extinguished with water. It will burn until all (chemically) combustible materials in the battery are consumed, spreading highly toxic heavy metals in its smoke.
If you can put enough water on the fire you dilute the electrolytes to the point of making them non combustible. The trick is getting enough volume on them fast enough.
Water makes them spontaneously combust and actually feeds the reaction. Only sand can put it out by melting it into a molten glass enclosure cutting all oxygen that feeds it.
How much energy would be needed to do that? Sand is heavy. And it'd need to be cleaned out again in due course and disposed of, presumably as contaminated poisonous waste. Do you think Al Gore would be able to do some calculations & come up with a helpful plan for them?
It would be best to ensure Al Gore is utilized in a test vehicle to see how the sand bed scenario works out. If he survives, we'll that's unfortunate for the rest of humanity but if he expires....the party's on!
Cali is vast. I don’t pay attention to the vocal minority. The people are mostly red. The leaders all dem., chosen in advance and placed in power without one citizen vote.
In 2020 most if not all the states voted red then were switched using the evoting machines to the dems. I know this because I saw a map from Germany of the U.S. most if not all were won by red and then switched. Germany is where the vote switching took place. U.S. soldiers went there to take over and stop the switching, several were killed.
Just go a few hrs away from San Fran and LA you will see.
It looks like it’s going to be both: the Communists in California have pushed for electric cars which use a highly flammable batteries. Those batteries went up in a fire. People may not want that in their garage. And now, there are fewer batteries availabe to be put in electric cars.
It’s like the Communists and the economy are working together on that one.
As someone that lives in Southern California, (not the LA area), thank you for this article. I recall just the last month, our county board of supervisors had an item on their agenda regarding a lithium battery storage facility in our back country. I believe they decided to delay the vote. I'm not sure if the facility already exists or if it was to approve a new facility. I guess I better look into this. 😳
How long before there is an event that causes many injuries and deaths? Lithium batteries are going into thermal runaway all over the world. What makes it worse is that BEVs are a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. The demonisation of CO2, for driving climate change is wrong and the elites know this. Carbon Dioxide has, for a long time, been known as the gas of life. The level of CO2 is recovering from a near extinction level. Below a certain number of parts per million of CO2 (less than half of todays' level), plants are unable to survive. If plants die, the whole food chain dies. At today's level, plants are thriving and their yield is increasing. From space, it has been observed that the planet is greening. It is a common for food growers to pump CO2 into greenhouses in order to increase the yield of fruit and vegetables. All the rubbish about nett zero is not going to stop the natural climate change. All it is doing is stopping the supply of cheap energy, making us have to struggle to try to meet energy demand with unreliable, so called green energy. All of the green energy is far from green. All the mining for the minerals needed and the wind turbines as well as the solar panels are ruining the planet's natural beauty. However, the suppliers of the turbines and solar panels are raking in billions upon billions and laughing all the way to the bank. As are Blackrock and all their other big finance conglomerates.
Sadly, few people are aware of how our financial world has been manipulated by Laurence Douglas Fink & Barbra Goldman Novick of BlackRock. Folks who spend even a few minutes searching will discover voluminous material to study.
I began to sit up and take notice of smart meters when I read comments from victims of the Paradise fire of 2017 who said that after the power line went down, the smart meters started exploding, after which time the houses burned down very quickly.
Fires burn differently and much more quickly in the past few years than they did previously.
Compare, for example, the two fires in Kelowna BC of 2003 and 2023, both of which began on August 16th.
Even the fire chief in 2023 said he'd never seen a fire so violent and quick. All the fires seem to be that way now.
And they burn oddly: the trees on the streets which burn at a much lower temperature are still standing, yet the houses are ash.
Pull up photos of recent fires and you'll see it. Very odd.
Is the air now affected in a certain way that spreads fire differently, as opposed to before smart meters (and WiFi)?
It seems so.
I’m asking a question I don’t know the answer to, as I can find no accounts of testing.
The tech testing we do know is thirty+ years out of date, as is widely noted, and the tech corporations hide behind out-of-date testing to rush government approval. They hide behind the archaic “What can’t heat you can’t hurt you.”
Up-to-date testing would expose the lie, open them up to culpability, and limit and even reverse their expansion. Billions of dollars are on the line.
Back to the fire ignition and spread: As with homicide, I believe there could be a range of motives, from accidental to intentional and intentional with premeditation.
It’s possible there is a range here.
I think the range might be Paradise (accidental after a downed power line, but culpable negligence, with non-testing of smart meters as incendiary devices), to Lahaina (far too many events in confluence, plus – a key to dark motives – complete resistance to investigation and accountability)
Couple things about Analog meters/smart meters … they use the electricity from the city to run, smart meters use your energy to run… about .35 cents a day. Analog meters last 40+ years your first smart meter is free but you will have to pay to replace it and it’s lifespan is not even close to 40 years.Smart meters can be read from a different location, with the analog meter, the electric company has to send someone out to your house to take a reading or shut down your electricity. Other than me having to pay for the electric company to use a meter to charge me, they can turn your electricity off at any time.. a single house, a few blocks of houses or every house in the city while leaving the grid up for every other consumer to utilize…. For Me, That’s a lot more power over me and my Family than I am comfortable with. My entire neighborhood has smart meters except me & one neighbor…. We both put signs on our meters to not change them over to smart meters… and for about 3 years now, Neptune Beach has respected my request.
Green scam enviro whack jobs in CA that can’t grasp how to manage forests, contain homeless populations, or be straight with the people about where their recycling is actually going (hint: landfills) now also have the dubious distinction of being the most polluted state because of all their many misplaced priorities. Well done 👍 winning 🙌
Have you spent time in CA or are you a CA hater because that is a political talking point? You have some valid points re mismanagement or recycling nonsense (yes, EVERYwhere massive amounts of rubbish go to landfills whether you separate your plastics or not). But what seems to be missing in your comments is a lack of compassion for what is happening to the CA people, the animals, the environment.
Zara I don’t know how you gleaned lack of compassion for the people, animals and environment from my comments which were rather clearly critical of environmental nut jobs and officials in charge like corrupt gov Newsom, lying LA Mayor Karen Bass, and their DEI hire Fire Chief Kristin Crowley. I shouldn’t have to spell it out for you.
We don’t know enough about this battery factory fire yet but all the others were largely preventable. And yes i have family in CA, and think it’s a beautiful but terribly managed state, but that shouldn’t matter. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see behind the continual excuses CA officials continue to make for their own shortcomings.
Article clearly states that Moss Landing Power Plant has lithium-ion storage batteries, e.g. reserve power, rather than "...this battery factory," [I too had revisit content given (click bait ?) title.]
But overall I share the sentiment and overall disdain for our dystopian posers.
The jury is still out on which interventions are “more green” and less toxic for the environment. Solar panels and wind turbine blades cannot be recycled. Precious metal mining must be considered in the equation. And BTW, human activity and cows have minimal to no effect on the climate. The computer models have been proven wrong time and time again.
We would have been better off never developing these lithium batteries in the first place.
Electric cars exemplify our technological delusion. Few realize that they predated combustion engines in the early 20th century, but were abandoned due to inherent technological limitations.
And so what we're seeing as "electric revolution" might be more accurately described as a repackaging of century-old concepts, marketed as innovation.
The lithium battery technology represents a crude solution masquerading as environmental progress through sophisticated marketing. Its fundamental inefficiency fails to address climate change, yet the public eagerly embraces it as a forward-thinking solution.
This wholesale acceptance of such an obviously flawed solution demonstrates just how deeply human critical thinking has deteriorated and how effortlessly the public can be manipulated into embracing backward steps as progress.
You are so right on the money about this David. Tesla is not a great name for an old idea of how to power and automobile. Electric cars were in vogue back in the 1920s, we need a truly advanced idea such as antigravity propulsion.
I wholeheartedly agree Jayeson. We live in an age of profound paradox.
While we celebrate an unprecedented explosion of technological innovation, we are witnessing a subtle but significant regression in our relationship with fundamental principles of nature and universal wisdom.
What makes our current predicament particularly surreal is our remarkable ability to disguise this regression as progress.
The tragedy isn't that we lack the capability for true innovation. The theoretical frameworks for transformative technologies like free energy systems have existed for decades, pioneered by visionaries like Tesla, Maxwell, and Bearden, and we have the intellectual and technological capacity to implement these solutions at scale.
Yet these potentially revolutionary approaches remain sidelined, victims of both entrenched industry interests (particularly in the energy and medical sectors) and our collective disconnection from natural principles.
This disconnect is evident even in alternative medicine. During a recent visit to a holistic dentist, I observed how even practitioners who understand energy systems and whole-body connections ultimately fall back on conventional mechanical solutions: cutting, drilling, extracting, filling.
Why?! Because this is all we have. We have ONLY ONE paradigm from which all solutions are derived. Imagine, however, the possibilities if we truly embraced our true technological potential: treatment rooms using precisely calibrated energy frequencies matched to individual genetic patterns, where brief sessions of targeted therapy could heal ailments without invasive procedures.
This isn't science fiction - it's what becomes possible when we align our technological capabilities with natural principles rather than fighting against them.
Perhaps most telling is how our so-called "educated" cohort responds to discussions of these possibilities. Those who propose returning to fundamental principles or implementing proven but radical solutions are often dismissed as unrealistic dreamers or practitioners of 'pseudoscience' - that favorite shield word of the academically entrenched, deployed to protect their intellectual vanity and mask their fear of confronting their own limitations. These are the very people whose 'practical' solutions amount to increasingly sophisticated patches on fundamentally flawed systems.
We've reached a point where our technological sophistication serves mainly to mask our growing inability to address root causes. We exist in what is effectively a dark age of innovation while believing ourselves to be in an era of enlightenment.
For me, this realization carries a profound sadness. It's like possessing vision in a world of people who haven't yet opened their eyes - you can't simply tell a dentist or a tech billionaire 'look, there's another way' when their entire framework of understanding remains trapped within the narrow confines of reductionist thinking, precisely due to their severed connection to spirit.
Lithium ion battery fires are a chemical reaction. The reaction generates its own oxygen which fuels the combustion. It cannot be smothered and it cannot be extinguished with water. It will burn until all (chemically) combustible materials in the battery are consumed, spreading highly toxic heavy metals in its smoke.
If you can put enough water on the fire you dilute the electrolytes to the point of making them non combustible. The trick is getting enough volume on them fast enough.
Water makes them spontaneously combust and actually feeds the reaction. Only sand can put it out by melting it into a molten glass enclosure cutting all oxygen that feeds it.
I actually looked it up and the dilution method is viable.
Maybe for one battery, but for thousands?
Good point. That's what engineers and chemists are for.
Yes, all these batteries should have had 4" of sand on them.
I'm inclined to agree.
How much energy would be needed to do that? Sand is heavy. And it'd need to be cleaned out again in due course and disposed of, presumably as contaminated poisonous waste. Do you think Al Gore would be able to do some calculations & come up with a helpful plan for them?
It would be best to ensure Al Gore is utilized in a test vehicle to see how the sand bed scenario works out. If he survives, we'll that's unfortunate for the rest of humanity but if he expires....the party's on!
So humans weren’t involved?
Lol, humans built them and burnt them.
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It’s possible that 2025 will be the year of the death of the electric vehicle and California turning red.
California has always been red except for the liberal pocket of LA and its suburbs.
Don’t believe the hype. The votes have been switched over there since Reagan.
California is huge. Go one hour north south east of LA everyone is red.
Not true, the whole coast is mostly blue, The Bay Area birthed Pelois, Feinstein and Newsome all from a tiny little village called San Francisco LOL
Cali is vast. It’s not all ab
It may be the case that Hollywerid may swing Red again.
Their brains are too far gone.
You sure do a lot of wishful thinking 😬
Again? you mean like about 1919?
something like that.
You must not have heard of the Bay Area then or is that another "suburb?"
The vote switching machines are “Dominion”
https://rumble.com/vb6fmv-oan-reports-scytl-server-in-germany-shows-trump-landslide-410-128.html?ysclid=m617me25e354106731
Cali is vast. I don’t pay attention to the vocal minority. The people are mostly red. The leaders all dem., chosen in advance and placed in power without one citizen vote.
In 2020 most if not all the states voted red then were switched using the evoting machines to the dems. I know this because I saw a map from Germany of the U.S. most if not all were won by red and then switched. Germany is where the vote switching took place. U.S. soldiers went there to take over and stop the switching, several were killed.
Just go a few hrs away from San Fran and LA you will see.
You are right. I never heard of it. I’m on the east coast. Now I know.
Electric car death should be based on market demand not communist enforcement.
It looks like it’s going to be both: the Communists in California have pushed for electric cars which use a highly flammable batteries. Those batteries went up in a fire. People may not want that in their garage. And now, there are fewer batteries availabe to be put in electric cars.
It’s like the Communists and the economy are working together on that one.
That is the satanic nature of communists, to work towards the worst possible outcome for humanity.
If this doesn’t do it… NOTHING will… republicans need to start to mobilize a great candidate for CA -starting right now!
This is a good start: https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/trump-taps-jon-voight-mel-gibson-sylvester-stallone-as-special-envoys-to-restore-hollywoods-golden-age-5793493
Jon Voight??? He will want to nuke all the Palestinians for Israel.
Probably Sylvester dumb as mud Stallone too.
One thing about the Republicans they love to kiss Israel’s ass.
Eliminating “Palestinians” wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
Ahh..you just revealed yourself.
Rudy’s to reveal?
Don’t count on it.
Praying all are ok. Tell me this is not planned. With all that has gone on in California I trust nothing.
“….California’s priority should be FIRE PREVENTION, and not mind-bogglingly stupid measures such as banning gas stoves. “ I totally agree.
Who knew that California was going to be destroyed not by breaking off and falling into the ocean but by wild and arsonist fires?
Or by globalist controlled WEF puppets for their 2030/2050 enslavement agenda utilizing smart cities.
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Or, DEW!
Dew or DEI?
Pushing on a string.
Square peg, round hole.
Incandescent illegal, LED mandated.
Female:female electrical interconnect.
Petrol vs battery motive power for overland transport.
At some point, nature just has to be declared the winner, and the anti-constructivists have to be sent packing.
The dollar tells where the efficient path lies. The dollar runs away from electric autos, solar metro grids, and windmills.
Subsidies be damned, and many (most?) of the world's problems go away.
Displacement replacements! Hahaha
Of the solid and the living.
"The dollar tells where the efficient path lies."
No, the dollar is counterfeited by the Fed and used to artificially move purchasing power into the hands of preferred elites.
Real or counterfeit, the volume of dollars go where they return the greater value.
As someone that lives in Southern California, (not the LA area), thank you for this article. I recall just the last month, our county board of supervisors had an item on their agenda regarding a lithium battery storage facility in our back country. I believe they decided to delay the vote. I'm not sure if the facility already exists or if it was to approve a new facility. I guess I better look into this. 😳
How long before there is an event that causes many injuries and deaths? Lithium batteries are going into thermal runaway all over the world. What makes it worse is that BEVs are a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. The demonisation of CO2, for driving climate change is wrong and the elites know this. Carbon Dioxide has, for a long time, been known as the gas of life. The level of CO2 is recovering from a near extinction level. Below a certain number of parts per million of CO2 (less than half of todays' level), plants are unable to survive. If plants die, the whole food chain dies. At today's level, plants are thriving and their yield is increasing. From space, it has been observed that the planet is greening. It is a common for food growers to pump CO2 into greenhouses in order to increase the yield of fruit and vegetables. All the rubbish about nett zero is not going to stop the natural climate change. All it is doing is stopping the supply of cheap energy, making us have to struggle to try to meet energy demand with unreliable, so called green energy. All of the green energy is far from green. All the mining for the minerals needed and the wind turbines as well as the solar panels are ruining the planet's natural beauty. However, the suppliers of the turbines and solar panels are raking in billions upon billions and laughing all the way to the bank. As are Blackrock and all their other big finance conglomerates.
Individuals interested in the science underlying the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) should read Richard S. Lindzen:
Lindzen, R.S. and Choi, Y. (2011) On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity
and Its Implications. Asia-Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Sciences, 47, 377-390.
https://doi.org/10.1007/s13143-011-0023-x
Lindzen interview link:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/richard-lindzen-key-points-climate-alarmists-get-wrong-5533100
Sadly, few people are aware of how our financial world has been manipulated by Laurence Douglas Fink & Barbra Goldman Novick of BlackRock. Folks who spend even a few minutes searching will discover voluminous material to study.
Smart meters have lithium ion batteries.
Here's a quote from a company offering solutions to the many problems these smart meter batteries pose. One of the problems is heat.
As in, say, fire. That would be extreme heat. Oh oh.
"Extreme temperatures pose a challenge for lithium batteries, affecting their performance and overall lifespan."
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/super-capacitors-alternative-lithium-batteries-smart-carey
I began to sit up and take notice of smart meters when I read comments from victims of the Paradise fire of 2017 who said that after the power line went down, the smart meters started exploding, after which time the houses burned down very quickly.
Smart meters! With lithium ion batteries. There are several big dots to connect there.
Yes, there are.
Here's one of my questions:
What is it about fire and EMF? Include WiFi.
Fires burn differently and much more quickly in the past few years than they did previously.
Compare, for example, the two fires in Kelowna BC of 2003 and 2023, both of which began on August 16th.
Even the fire chief in 2023 said he'd never seen a fire so violent and quick. All the fires seem to be that way now.
And they burn oddly: the trees on the streets which burn at a much lower temperature are still standing, yet the houses are ash.
Pull up photos of recent fires and you'll see it. Very odd.
Is the air now affected in a certain way that spreads fire differently, as opposed to before smart meters (and WiFi)?
It seems so.
I’m asking a question I don’t know the answer to, as I can find no accounts of testing.
The tech testing we do know is thirty+ years out of date, as is widely noted, and the tech corporations hide behind out-of-date testing to rush government approval. They hide behind the archaic “What can’t heat you can’t hurt you.”
Up-to-date testing would expose the lie, open them up to culpability, and limit and even reverse their expansion. Billions of dollars are on the line.
(Imagine if, despite innovations, engineers simply stopped testing vehicles or aircraft. Unthinkable.)
Back to the fire ignition and spread: As with homicide, I believe there could be a range of motives, from accidental to intentional and intentional with premeditation.
It’s possible there is a range here.
I think the range might be Paradise (accidental after a downed power line, but culpable negligence, with non-testing of smart meters as incendiary devices), to Lahaina (far too many events in confluence, plus – a key to dark motives – complete resistance to investigation and accountability)
Couple things about Analog meters/smart meters … they use the electricity from the city to run, smart meters use your energy to run… about .35 cents a day. Analog meters last 40+ years your first smart meter is free but you will have to pay to replace it and it’s lifespan is not even close to 40 years.Smart meters can be read from a different location, with the analog meter, the electric company has to send someone out to your house to take a reading or shut down your electricity. Other than me having to pay for the electric company to use a meter to charge me, they can turn your electricity off at any time.. a single house, a few blocks of houses or every house in the city while leaving the grid up for every other consumer to utilize…. For Me, That’s a lot more power over me and my Family than I am comfortable with. My entire neighborhood has smart meters except me & one neighbor…. We both put signs on our meters to not change them over to smart meters… and for about 3 years now, Neptune Beach has respected my request.
Green scam enviro whack jobs in CA that can’t grasp how to manage forests, contain homeless populations, or be straight with the people about where their recycling is actually going (hint: landfills) now also have the dubious distinction of being the most polluted state because of all their many misplaced priorities. Well done 👍 winning 🙌
What island are you on?
Have you spent time in CA or are you a CA hater because that is a political talking point? You have some valid points re mismanagement or recycling nonsense (yes, EVERYwhere massive amounts of rubbish go to landfills whether you separate your plastics or not). But what seems to be missing in your comments is a lack of compassion for what is happening to the CA people, the animals, the environment.
Zara I don’t know how you gleaned lack of compassion for the people, animals and environment from my comments which were rather clearly critical of environmental nut jobs and officials in charge like corrupt gov Newsom, lying LA Mayor Karen Bass, and their DEI hire Fire Chief Kristin Crowley. I shouldn’t have to spell it out for you.
We don’t know enough about this battery factory fire yet but all the others were largely preventable. And yes i have family in CA, and think it’s a beautiful but terribly managed state, but that shouldn’t matter. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see behind the continual excuses CA officials continue to make for their own shortcomings.
I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
Article clearly states that Moss Landing Power Plant has lithium-ion storage batteries, e.g. reserve power, rather than "...this battery factory," [I too had revisit content given (click bait ?) title.]
But overall I share the sentiment and overall disdain for our dystopian posers.
The same people who voted for the incompetent politicians?
Please show me a few who are not incompetent or corrupt in the entirety of our politics.
The jury is still out on which interventions are “more green” and less toxic for the environment. Solar panels and wind turbine blades cannot be recycled. Precious metal mining must be considered in the equation. And BTW, human activity and cows have minimal to no effect on the climate. The computer models have been proven wrong time and time again.
Well and rightly put.
💯
Thank you for this reporting. It is heart breaking. Monterey with its marine & other—beyond sad.
We would have been better off never developing these lithium batteries in the first place.
Electric cars exemplify our technological delusion. Few realize that they predated combustion engines in the early 20th century, but were abandoned due to inherent technological limitations.
And so what we're seeing as "electric revolution" might be more accurately described as a repackaging of century-old concepts, marketed as innovation.
The lithium battery technology represents a crude solution masquerading as environmental progress through sophisticated marketing. Its fundamental inefficiency fails to address climate change, yet the public eagerly embraces it as a forward-thinking solution.
This wholesale acceptance of such an obviously flawed solution demonstrates just how deeply human critical thinking has deteriorated and how effortlessly the public can be manipulated into embracing backward steps as progress.
You are so right on the money about this David. Tesla is not a great name for an old idea of how to power and automobile. Electric cars were in vogue back in the 1920s, we need a truly advanced idea such as antigravity propulsion.
I wholeheartedly agree Jayeson. We live in an age of profound paradox.
While we celebrate an unprecedented explosion of technological innovation, we are witnessing a subtle but significant regression in our relationship with fundamental principles of nature and universal wisdom.
What makes our current predicament particularly surreal is our remarkable ability to disguise this regression as progress.
The tragedy isn't that we lack the capability for true innovation. The theoretical frameworks for transformative technologies like free energy systems have existed for decades, pioneered by visionaries like Tesla, Maxwell, and Bearden, and we have the intellectual and technological capacity to implement these solutions at scale.
Yet these potentially revolutionary approaches remain sidelined, victims of both entrenched industry interests (particularly in the energy and medical sectors) and our collective disconnection from natural principles.
This disconnect is evident even in alternative medicine. During a recent visit to a holistic dentist, I observed how even practitioners who understand energy systems and whole-body connections ultimately fall back on conventional mechanical solutions: cutting, drilling, extracting, filling.
Why?! Because this is all we have. We have ONLY ONE paradigm from which all solutions are derived. Imagine, however, the possibilities if we truly embraced our true technological potential: treatment rooms using precisely calibrated energy frequencies matched to individual genetic patterns, where brief sessions of targeted therapy could heal ailments without invasive procedures.
This isn't science fiction - it's what becomes possible when we align our technological capabilities with natural principles rather than fighting against them.
Perhaps most telling is how our so-called "educated" cohort responds to discussions of these possibilities. Those who propose returning to fundamental principles or implementing proven but radical solutions are often dismissed as unrealistic dreamers or practitioners of 'pseudoscience' - that favorite shield word of the academically entrenched, deployed to protect their intellectual vanity and mask their fear of confronting their own limitations. These are the very people whose 'practical' solutions amount to increasingly sophisticated patches on fundamentally flawed systems.
We've reached a point where our technological sophistication serves mainly to mask our growing inability to address root causes. We exist in what is effectively a dark age of innovation while believing ourselves to be in an era of enlightenment.
For me, this realization carries a profound sadness. It's like possessing vision in a world of people who haven't yet opened their eyes - you can't simply tell a dentist or a tech billionaire 'look, there's another way' when their entire framework of understanding remains trapped within the narrow confines of reductionist thinking, precisely due to their severed connection to spirit.
Purposely flawed solution I.e no solution
I live 25 miles north and now warning on the air quality report. Level - Moderate. Pollutant PM2.5.
I'm concerned about the towns along the north Monterey bay
Me too - especially the marine sanctuary located right there. This facility already has a history of mishaps. Shut it down!
How many "coincidences" can CA have?
And “mistakes”
Definitely planned. Once you know them you will understand everything is planned for the destruction of the U.S. from within